• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    The problem begins when trying to scale that to a societal level, which is necessary for things like high speed rail, the internet, huge power grids, etc. Trying to compartmentalize production to be both high-yield and small-scale is ridiculously difficult, and to do so would require technology far beyond what we have now without a serious lowering of living standards. That’s why Marxists advocate for collectivization, and planning production and distribution at a societal scale, rather than trying to focus on creating communalist structures emulating early hunter-gatherer societies but with the niceties of today.

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      You can voluntarily co-operate together without having a central authority dictating to you. Anarchism is not mutually exclusive with large scale projects or distribution networks.

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        19 hours ago

        That’s a bit like saying you can have battlefield success with only footsoldiers and no tacticians or strategians, or like saying a factory can run smoothly without foremen, or that a ship can sail safely without a capitain. We develop administrative positions because of their utility even within a class, not just class-based hierarchy like workers and owners. The latter, class-based distinctions are a product of unequal ownership and control, the former are a product of material necessity.

        Cooperative production can work, but only for certain industries and certain scales. Agriculture is a good example, but for something more complex like smartphone production that involves global supply chains and intense safety risks for mining, shipping, silicon processing, etc, it’s just not feasible to do cooperatively and horizontally. Even then, for agriculture, as we advance to more efficient industrialized production we too develop beyond the basis for cooperative ownership to function.

        Administration is not a bad thing. What’s bad is class society, which allows a small portion of society to plunder the vast majority of the spoils of social production.