• Dessalines@lemmy.ml
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    The US killed a million innocent people in Iraq just a few years ago, and is *currently * drone bombing several countries in ME and north africa, and is currently supporting the apartheid state of israel with billions of dollars in military aid.

    The PRC has not been in a war since its skirmish with Vietnam in 1979.

    The US has a network of > 800 military bases across the globe, and has been involved in regime change in nearly every country.

    Which one is authoritarian?

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      Look up the definition of authoritarianism. Bombing other countries is not the defining feature of an authoritarian government.

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          That’s cool and all but still irrelevant to the original point. You can be authoritarian to your own citizens domestically without invading other nations.

          The US is both imperialist and authoritarian.

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        Terms like Authoritarianism and Totalitarianism were defined or entrenched by a lot of western supremacist authors, who needed to twist terminology in such a way that excluded the US (capitalism’s worldwide enforcer and the cause of so much death and destruction) from any wrongdoing, while demonizing the colonial world who fought back against the US for their own sovereignty as “authoritarian”.

        I highly suggest reading Losurdo’s - Western Marxism, for an in-depth analysis of some of these white supremacist authors, and how they demonize the anti-colonial struggle.

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        take a look at that map and you will notice they are fucking over the entire planet.

        not just iraq, although usians like to ignore how much death and suffering they caused there. (all the while they sanction places like cuba)

        you couped my country and made it undemocratic to this day and you can’t even tell where i’m from.

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          you couped my country and made it undemocratic to this day and you can’t even tell where i’m from.

          You can’t either it seems since I’m not American. What’s with assuming everyone online is American lol

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            i mean we are speaking their language, and you seemed to be defending them.

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              What a ridiculous assumption, most of the world can speak English you know. Shame on this America centrism and people who perpetuate it. Shame especially on you since you accused me over your baseless assumption. Shame, shame

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        scale matters my guy. One is not committing war crimes at least.

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      Which one is currently genociding Uhygurs? Which one illegally annexed Tibet and Hong Kong? Both countries are authoritarian shit-holes.

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        tibet was never invaded, theocrats lost their slaves and libs are somehow mad about it

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        Lol Tibet was still cutting off boys genitals to serve the lamas when china ‘invaded’

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        illegally annexed… Hong Kong

        what

        Like I can get not agreeing with it but illegally annexed how do you expect to be taken even a little seriously

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          I keep hearing ‘illegal war’ in the media.

          What the fuck is a legal war? A war faught by lawyers?

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          While the transfer of power itself was fine and legal, didn’t they break the basic law they put in by violating people’s rights and freedoms? I do agree that it’s worded badly though

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        Only one country is genociding muslins.

        “illegally annexed” Hong Kong LMAO

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        Nope, only one of them is a shithole.

        Which one illegally annexed Tibet

        I’m pretty sure virtually all of the Tibetan people are happy to no longer be suffering under theocratic feudalism. Happy to no longer be illiterate serfs and slaves, suffering depredation under a god-king. I doubt many of them are sad that CIA asset Dalai “suck my tongue” Lama is in exile. [1] [2]

        and Hong Kong?

        Entirely legal. In fact it would have been illegal for the UK not to hand it over.

        The UK’s 99 year lease to subjugate Hong Kong ended. A lease which had been forced upon Imperial China at gunpoint during the century of humiliation. Hong Kong reintegration after the lease expired was a foregone conclusion. The last minute, US-backed attempt at color revolution failed.

        Which one is currently genociding Uhygurs?

        Neither, but one of them trained, funded, and organized terrorists in the region, and then made up a genocide narrative, and then imposed illegal sanctions on it using the fabricated genocide narrative as a pretext. Previously.

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          Idk if it’s just me, but it’s insane to bring up Uhygur genocide, which has not been in the news or mentioned at all for years, while we watch US funded Israel blowing up starving children on a daily basis.

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        There is evidence that China was oppressive to Ughyurs, but currently enacting an active genocide is a stretch.

        If you want an overview of someone cutting through the bullshit: https://youtu.be/cz9ICFDk8Js

        TLDW:

        • Likely cultural genocide
        • Philosophies that would make Westerner’s mouth water - Forced assimilation / “Taming” the natives type shit
        • Western sources/“journalists” are dubious, twisting stories out of proportion or making shit up entirely
        • However there are plenty of testimonies from the Uyghurs themselves – the sheer volume of which cannot be ignored

        Anyways, from what I’ve heard, China’s dialed this shit back when they were first put on the spotlight. For whatever oppression China may have taken part of, it is not even a tenth of what the oppression the United States and other Western nations have been dishing out for the past few centuries.

        US genocided Natives to be born, and historically oppressed its own population (slavery, internment camps, etc) and has continually oppressed others (overthrowing democracies, genocide, crimes against humanity, etc)

        UK, Germany, France and other Western nations also love aiding genociders while also oppressing anti-genociders.

        France also has an obsession with trying to force Muslim women to undress in public, dictate how they dress. Lmao