Apologies if I’m not a regular reader of Jörmungandr, but I need this from a more reputable source. I want to take in whats being said, but recognize the importance of trust and how that applies to a modern information landscape driven by fraud, conspiracy and AI.
If this is real, its going to need to break through in a more traditional manner.
Yeah, it does the usual loop where snopes says it’s fake and then random other shitty sources say it’s fake.
There are a few problems now with sourcing:
Mainstream media won’t look into these kind of things except for maybe Propublica
Snopes can’t be trusted. I’ve seen them say “partially true” when their descriptions say 100% true multiple times. They seem to have a right wing bend.
These random sites that have different names, but all look the same, all say similar things as snopes.
All that being said, none of this can be proven, so I wouldn’t trust it either. Also, it tells me that we need to protect Wikipedia.
But yeah, it really doesn’t matter. Follow it through to its conclusion. Say we have the evidence and can prove the election was stolen. What of it? Trump will just apologize and step down? Will it undo all the damage done so far?
And say you do follow the thread and the evidence doesn’t stack up? Then what are you left with?
It’s important internationally in ways that would have domestic impact. If the market loses confidence in the US the tide cannot be stemmed. Kill trade, tourism and the dollar faster. Most importantly an unending bond sell off.
This also legitimizes resistance and sets up the moral high ground for the next stage everyone is waiting for.
"Remember, there could be valid facts mixed in with all of this. That’s how conspiracy theories work. They pull together real facts and truth and then mix it all up with allegations and unfounded theories to come to a completely outlandish conspiracy. There very well could be issues with election machines. I think there’s some credible evidence that the 2024 election was tampered with.
However, this specific claim holds no water. There is no proof that this man ever worked for the CIA. There is no proof that he conducted an audit with the NSA.
And further, the more of his work you read, the more clear it becomes that he is just another terminally online conspiracy wacko which should kill all of his credibility."
Because your pathological need to seek validation and prove yourself right has you coming back wasting time talking to me, a person who thinks you’re an arrogant armchair intellectual. And that’s as much a waste of time as all the rest of your impotent bitchy posts.
Because your pathological need to seek validation and prove yourself right has you coming back wasting time
They said as they returned back to the thread seeking validation and to prove themselves right.
The reason I won’t engage with conspiratorial thinking is because I know better than to give bad faith arguers charity or space. If you don’t have the ability to establish standards of quality for the material you promote, do us all a favor and don’t promote any ideas or content, because the only thing impotent here is you while you try and have 8 arguments across different threads of people rejecting this.
arrogant armchair intellectual.
Sure but at least I own it. And I get it right, which is far better than whatever you are doing.
It really doesn’t matter. You are promoting unfounded conspiratorial thinking and that needs to be pushed back on. Its a cultural disease to do so, and its even worse to promote it. Develop some rigor to your thinking instead of the slop you’ve asked people to “do their own research on” here.
Apologies if I’m not a regular reader of Jörmungandr, but I need this from a more reputable source. I want to take in whats being said, but recognize the importance of trust and how that applies to a modern information landscape driven by fraud, conspiracy and AI.
If this is real, its going to need to break through in a more traditional manner.
Yeah, it does the usual loop where snopes says it’s fake and then random other shitty sources say it’s fake.
There are a few problems now with sourcing:
All that being said, none of this can be proven, so I wouldn’t trust it either. Also, it tells me that we need to protect Wikipedia.
Maybe 404 Media.
But yeah, it really doesn’t matter. Follow it through to its conclusion. Say we have the evidence and can prove the election was stolen. What of it? Trump will just apologize and step down? Will it undo all the damage done so far? And say you do follow the thread and the evidence doesn’t stack up? Then what are you left with?
You’re right 404 media should be on that list too. They’re very good.
No, he would never do that, lol. He’s not going to step down from this term unless he dies from natural causes.
“Natural” you say? That includes lead poisoning, right?
It’s important internationally in ways that would have domestic impact. If the market loses confidence in the US the tide cannot be stemmed. Kill trade, tourism and the dollar faster. Most importantly an unending bond sell off.
This also legitimizes resistance and sets up the moral high ground for the next stage everyone is waiting for.
The best I could find outside of snopes is a reasonable dive into the material by another redditor:
https://www.reddit.com/r/50501Movement/comments/1mfs6i4/debunked_excia_whistleblower_the_nsa_audited_the/
Tldr:
"Remember, there could be valid facts mixed in with all of this. That’s how conspiracy theories work. They pull together real facts and truth and then mix it all up with allegations and unfounded theories to come to a completely outlandish conspiracy. There very well could be issues with election machines. I think there’s some credible evidence that the 2024 election was tampered with.
However, this specific claim holds no water. There is no proof that this man ever worked for the CIA. There is no proof that he conducted an audit with the NSA.
And further, the more of his work you read, the more clear it becomes that he is just another terminally online conspiracy wacko which should kill all of his credibility."
That isn’t going great. They have a lot of staff living in the US and a Musk problem.
You’re not a reader. That’s the name of a free book. How would you be a regular reader of a singular book?
So its not even a scientific journal under which claims undergo scrutiny and review?
Even less worth offering one iota more of attention.
You reread what you just typed and think about it. Scientific Journal. Wow.
40th phrack just came out. Seems relevant…
Why would i offer someone promoting conspiracy theory drivel the principal of charity?
Because your pathological need to seek validation and prove yourself right has you coming back wasting time talking to me, a person who thinks you’re an arrogant armchair intellectual. And that’s as much a waste of time as all the rest of your impotent bitchy posts.
Why not read instead?
They said as they returned back to the thread seeking validation and to prove themselves right.
The reason I won’t engage with conspiratorial thinking is because I know better than to give bad faith arguers charity or space. If you don’t have the ability to establish standards of quality for the material you promote, do us all a favor and don’t promote any ideas or content, because the only thing impotent here is you while you try and have 8 arguments across different threads of people rejecting this.
Sure but at least I own it. And I get it right, which is far better than whatever you are doing.
I’m aware this is a waste of time and find you funny. Angsty grad student vibes mixed with an undeserved sense of superiority.
You know what the Dunning Krueger curve is I’m sure. I bet you think you plot on the right side for a dozen subjects you never studied.
It really doesn’t matter. You are promoting unfounded conspiratorial thinking and that needs to be pushed back on. Its a cultural disease to do so, and its even worse to promote it. Develop some rigor to your thinking instead of the slop you’ve asked people to “do their own research on” here.