Even if my comment were a fallacy (which I disagree), that’s irrelevant because a logical fallacy can still be true

A logical fallacy can be true yes but when it’s things like red herrings and ignoratio elenchis that don’t contribute to the discussion, they don’t need to be brought up. If you actually looked at that link that I provided instead of just outright dismissing it because it’s ‘edgy’ or what not, you’d see examples there of how certain arguments don’t contribute to the discussion, only muddying conversation.

the former including links to western “Freedom Burger Eagle association” type organizations

Right, so you’re you’re doing the very thing you were questioning that commenter of doing: Disregarding the source instead of the content.

Fwiw, I’m not saying it’s wrong to do that, I’m only showing you the contradiction in your claims.

Your cited Wikipedia shows that Ukrainians were involved in the sabotage not that the Ukrainian state was involved in the sabotage. Two very big distinctions here. You also haven’t show where the US was involved in this.

Economic treaties kinda do imply a good intention, don’t they?

Have you ever heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?

Additionally, Ukraine’s economy was heavily tied in with Russia’s before the 2014 conflict.

I think this shows a clear trend that runs counter to your claim

Wikipedia list of logical fallacies

I think you should go look at that link again.

and that’s when tankies like me are careful of western sources.

Right, so only taking the points that they agree with you on.

If you believe otherwise, you can bring me some examples instead of generally referring to something

Here’s one:

https://lemmy.world/comment/20878099

Here’s another doing this when asked to cite the UN or Reuters as a neutral source:

https://lemmy.world/comment/19851916

Your argument doesn’t follow a valid syllogistic structure. You’re attempt to clarify still follows a red herring pattern.

The only way to counter the premise:

Europe is antagonizing Russia because it invaded a foreign independent nation

would be to show that Russia isn’t doing so. Russia IS doing so, so it is a correct argument. Any other argument you introduce is a red herring.

You’re going to have to provide some sources that provide publicly verified, conclusive evidence that goes beyond simple leads or speculation for your claim about the Nordstream.

Also Russia’s economic treaties do not prove that they weren’t intending to invade anyways.

Your claim was, “So you dismiss the content just because you dislike the source?”, and my retort was that people in your camp, that is the ml instance and the other instances from the triad, also do the same because they disregard UN or Reuters sourced info on the basis of sumply being bourgeois.

If you personally don’t do that, then the argument doesn5apply to you and you can ignore it

Your positions are correct, but it seems like you’re trying to deflect from the topic at hand. See red herring

How is that any different from what the guys in your camp do?

but there’s much worse evil in the world right now like the US and Israel before his brainwashing can work.

That does not excuse left-wing propaganda though? Especially not of the imperialist kind

Why do you always bring this up? We are talking about a specific thing here. Your whataboutism doesn’t contribute to the discussion

Geopolitics doesn’t always neatly map onto ideology. NATO itself isn’t anything more than a defensive alliance. Countries like Estonia and Finland would be in constant fear of invasion from Russia if not for NATO, that’s why they still support the US even if they may not even agree with it 50% of the time.

So you’re the mastermind behind dailygames. I salure your effort good sir

But no it’s the bloody immigrants arr

Bro’s all over the place…

But fr, i agree with you, but did you really think about all this in the shower…? Like, you must’ve been thinking about this for quite a while

Not really darker per se. Just not the typical shower thought vibe.

I get your post though. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Quite politically charged for an existential shower methinks. And this comm has rules against that

L shower-thought

If this was actually the case, they would’ve been long defederated from ml. That is yet to happen as of now

Funny how you always manage to have shit takes no matter the thread

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