Seems to me you are making a lot of assumptions. You see sexual abuse, I see four frames that could be me and my wife. In either role.
It’s a four panel comic. Why you would choose to decide that consent is absent, and also decide that everyone else has to feel the same way, is beyond me.
Because even in marriages and relationships, women often accuse men of SA and rape these days. The reverse should also hold true, if women choose to pull off these nasty tricks.
That’s all well and good, but there’s no reason except your own baggage to apply that to this comic.
The more I read your replies, the more I think this is really about your own negative feelings towards women, more than a legitimate concern regarding sexual abuse against men.
Probably because there is much less likelihood that the male is being physically forced to do this.
Heck, if you want to go into who in society is typically in roles of power, there’s also much less chance of the guy being coerced to do this by power dynamics.
The amount of male sexual abuse that goes unheard of is nearly 95-100% of the times, because both women and men tease it as the abused man “wanting it” and/or “enjoying the touch”, leading to feminists claiming “all men” to be these evil women predators as an entire gender.
The basis of your statement when you say “less chance of the guy being coerced to do this by power dynamics” has a historical context of “both women and men tease it as the abused man “wanting it” and/or “enjoying the touch””. Both men and women have encouraged this behaviour against men in the exact same way women get eve teased or their butts spanked. But women are the perpetrators of this male SA/rape stuff, since they demand it or covertly blackmail men.
That’s a big wall of text that doesn’t answer my questions - can you answer them directly? You can provide as much context as you feel necessary to explain your yes or no answer, but please provide a yes or no answer so I fully understand where you stand.
3 sentences is not a wall of text. And life is not as simple as a yes or no. You should have refrained from talking if you cannot even talk or read that much.
I am pissed over how the reverse would be claimed by femcels and feminists as sexual harassment. There would be hundreds of them flocking to this post like flies over a turd, but now just silence and internet votes however they want.
Framing me in a manipulative way does not make what I said untrue, or allow it to be downplayed.
I don’t think it’s manipulative to suggest that you should wait for that actual comic to exist, and then argue with the people reacting that way, instead of manufacturing an assumption that no consent exists here, and then being upset that everyone else doesn’t also pretend that’s a factual representation of the comic.
It so happens conveniently that the reverse jokes are framed as misogynistic and incel content and will always by default be assumed to have no consent unless explicitly stated as a bold heading, because women are supposed to be vulnerable according to patriarchy, yet strong according to feminism. You know what political tactic makes an entity strong and weak at the same time? Fascism.
However, here, men are supposed to let it slide, treat it as if consent exists by default, and everything is supposed to favour women. I am definitely seeing the same kind of flaws in leftist social movement that exist in redpill movements, that are forcing me to distance myself from the former, even as I despise the latter. If certain leftists think reverse discrimination is a good way to piss off men and think it will invent sympathy within men, and unite men and women, they are the biggest idiots on this planet.
Edit: papertowels tried to critique me, deleted comment, due to which my one comment response is not showing up in thread. Might be worth a read. https://lemmy.ml/comment/3566525
So you are implying all men support the oppression of women, and feminism is this absolutely pristine, perfect, flawless movement where any woman or feminist cannot do no wrong against man? Do you know how many women have went against the general narrative and stopped being feminists in the past few years, due to seeing the bigotry issues against men and their rights?
My comparison of today’s feminism to fascist tactics is not weak. Western feminism has transformed from a movement advocating equity for women, into a female gender superiority movement, completely uttering nonsense like “we need no men”, “all men bad”, “men’s rights are incel shit” and what not. The movement has completely gone berserk and astray, and a discussion about this is not just fully warranted, but actions needed to correct the movement that was once aimed at restoring a balance for both women and men in society.
Slavery, unlike the issue of woman empowerment and men’s rights, has zero ambiguity. The slaves are oppressed, and the ones enslaving them exploit and benefit from slavery. Feminism is not anti-slavery, contrary to your false equivalence. Men’s rights are just as important as woman empowerment, and feminism today is onto entirely something else, using right wing tactics to portray men’s rights activists as a patriarchal tribal monkey group, that is supposed to be one with the redpillers, incels and Tateists. It is NOT.
My only complaint is that you seem adamant that only you have the correct interpretation of this simple comic. If you said “wow that comic seems like this” to me, without taking it to the level of “and every single other person needs to interpret it the same way” we’d be having no discussion.
We’re about 30 secs from having no discussion anyway.
If certain leftists think reverse discrimination is a good way to piss off men and think it will invent sympathy within men, and unite men and women, they are the biggest idiots on this planet.
Feminism is discriminatory against men, and Lemmy has a leftist crowd, which is why we have the upvotes and comments favouring male sexual abuse as long as it empowers the woman’s cunnilingus pleasure. Acting like “oh the internet comments is natural phenomenon” makes you look like a person with either zero understanding of how culture works, or someone dissuading me from the obvious for affirming to a certain agenda.
I love how nobody will come and say this is male sexual abuse. Where are the feminists hiding?
Edit: did not take long to prove the point, there is plenty misandry just like there is plenty misogyny.
Seems to me you are making a lot of assumptions. You see sexual abuse, I see four frames that could be me and my wife. In either role.
It’s a four panel comic. Why you would choose to decide that consent is absent, and also decide that everyone else has to feel the same way, is beyond me.
Because even in marriages and relationships, women often accuse men of SA and rape these days. The reverse should also hold true, if women choose to pull off these nasty tricks.
That’s all well and good, but there’s no reason except your own baggage to apply that to this comic.
The more I read your replies, the more I think this is really about your own negative feelings towards women, more than a legitimate concern regarding sexual abuse against men.
It is always made into “you are incel” argument, no matter what men say, isn’t it? Feminists are pretty misandrist nowadays.
Did I use the word incel?
But hey, if that keeps happening to you, maybe don’t keep saying things an incel would.
We’re all individual people in the end, it’s not a team sport.
Good day, Sir.
There you go, this is how you framed me. And yes, women these days do that a lot, and that can be seen in any country with western culture influence.
No need to hand over pessimistic greetings as consolation, thanks. Atleast I know I am not wrong.
Probably because there is much less likelihood that the male is being physically forced to do this.
Heck, if you want to go into who in society is typically in roles of power, there’s also much less chance of the guy being coerced to do this by power dynamics.
The amount of male sexual abuse that goes unheard of is nearly 95-100% of the times, because both women and men tease it as the abused man “wanting it” and/or “enjoying the touch”, leading to feminists claiming “all men” to be these evil women predators as an entire gender.
That doesn’t address my response at all - are you in agreement with it?
No, I am not. You are enforcing a misandrist narrative. Not all men want to be sexually groped and touched. Most men are good people.
Which of my statements do you disagree with?
Do you think men aren’t likely to be physically forced into giving head by a woman?
Do you think men aren’t likely to be forced into giving head to a woman by power dynamics?
I noticed that you’re conflating what is portrayed in this meme with being groped or touched.
The basis of your statement when you say “less chance of the guy being coerced to do this by power dynamics” has a historical context of “both women and men tease it as the abused man “wanting it” and/or “enjoying the touch””. Both men and women have encouraged this behaviour against men in the exact same way women get eve teased or their butts spanked. But women are the perpetrators of this male SA/rape stuff, since they demand it or covertly blackmail men.
That’s a big wall of text that doesn’t answer my questions - can you answer them directly? You can provide as much context as you feel necessary to explain your yes or no answer, but please provide a yes or no answer so I fully understand where you stand.
3 sentences is not a wall of text. And life is not as simple as a yes or no. You should have refrained from talking if you cannot even talk or read that much.
It’s not that serious bro
Come on, reverse the gender and post this. See how fast you get cancelled everywhere for “misogyny” by feminists that approve of this meme.
So you aren’t angry about the comic, you are angry about how you speculate people would react if it were a different comic.
https://lemmy.world/comment/3175160
Not the exact same post but similar enough
I am pissed over how the reverse would be claimed by femcels and feminists as sexual harassment. There would be hundreds of them flocking to this post like flies over a turd, but now just silence and internet votes however they want.
Framing me in a manipulative way does not make what I said untrue, or allow it to be downplayed.
I don’t think it’s manipulative to suggest that you should wait for that actual comic to exist, and then argue with the people reacting that way, instead of manufacturing an assumption that no consent exists here, and then being upset that everyone else doesn’t also pretend that’s a factual representation of the comic.
It so happens conveniently that the reverse jokes are framed as misogynistic and incel content and will always by default be assumed to have no consent unless explicitly stated as a bold heading, because women are supposed to be vulnerable according to patriarchy, yet strong according to feminism. You know what political tactic makes an entity strong and weak at the same time? Fascism.
However, here, men are supposed to let it slide, treat it as if consent exists by default, and everything is supposed to favour women. I am definitely seeing the same kind of flaws in leftist social movement that exist in redpill movements, that are forcing me to distance myself from the former, even as I despise the latter. If certain leftists think reverse discrimination is a good way to piss off men and think it will invent sympathy within men, and unite men and women, they are the biggest idiots on this planet.
Edit: papertowels tried to critique me, deleted comment, due to which my one comment response is not showing up in thread. Might be worth a read. https://lemmy.ml/comment/3566525
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So you are implying all men support the oppression of women, and feminism is this absolutely pristine, perfect, flawless movement where any woman or feminist cannot do no wrong against man? Do you know how many women have went against the general narrative and stopped being feminists in the past few years, due to seeing the bigotry issues against men and their rights?
My comparison of today’s feminism to fascist tactics is not weak. Western feminism has transformed from a movement advocating equity for women, into a female gender superiority movement, completely uttering nonsense like “we need no men”, “all men bad”, “men’s rights are incel shit” and what not. The movement has completely gone berserk and astray, and a discussion about this is not just fully warranted, but actions needed to correct the movement that was once aimed at restoring a balance for both women and men in society.
Slavery, unlike the issue of woman empowerment and men’s rights, has zero ambiguity. The slaves are oppressed, and the ones enslaving them exploit and benefit from slavery. Feminism is not anti-slavery, contrary to your false equivalence. Men’s rights are just as important as woman empowerment, and feminism today is onto entirely something else, using right wing tactics to portray men’s rights activists as a patriarchal tribal monkey group, that is supposed to be one with the redpillers, incels and Tateists. It is NOT.
My only complaint is that you seem adamant that only you have the correct interpretation of this simple comic. If you said “wow that comic seems like this” to me, without taking it to the level of “and every single other person needs to interpret it the same way” we’d be having no discussion.
We’re about 30 secs from having no discussion anyway.
Feminism is discriminatory against men, and Lemmy has a leftist crowd, which is why we have the upvotes and comments favouring male sexual abuse as long as it empowers the woman’s cunnilingus pleasure. Acting like “oh the internet comments is natural phenomenon” makes you look like a person with either zero understanding of how culture works, or someone dissuading me from the obvious for affirming to a certain agenda.