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      You’re talkin’ bout me. Yeah, I was pretty impressed when Trump got a cease-fire so quickly. Thought he might actually be better in this respect than Harris. Sadly I was wrong – I’ll admit that.

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        What are the chances Republicans were pressuring Netanyahu to delay a ceasefire until after the election, like they did in the Iran hostage crisis?

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          Zero. Biden could force a ceasefire if he wanted to; Trump couldn’t force him not to. And Carter didn’t provide Iran with tens of billions in arms, so it’s not a good comparison.

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        Good. Ceasefire was just a cover to ramp up the cleansing in the West Bank though. He’s worse on all fronts.

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          Less Palestinians are dying, less bombs are being dropped, people are returning to Northern Gaza, which was ethnically cleansed under Biden, but you don’t actually care about what happens to Palestinians, you just care that it’s the red team doing it not the blue

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            Less Palestinians are dying, less bombs are being dropped, people are returning to Northern Gaza

            What planet are you on, have you read the OP?

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      So far Trump has been objectively better on Gaza than Biden was. The fact that BlueMAGA liberals are actually acknowledging and condemning the USA governments genocidal actions now, rather than denying and defending them like they did under Biden, is just icing on the cake.

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        Trump reversed Biden’s economic sanctions on Israeli occupiers in illegal settlement.

        Trump reversed Biden’s withholding of shipments of 2000 lb bombs.

        Trump is now saying instead of a 2 state solution that all Palestinians should be forcibly removed from Gaza, and that the US should own it.

        Trump is further declining to assert that no US troops would be involved in the forcible removal of Palestinians from their land.

        In what fucking lunatic universe is any of this better for Palestinians?

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          It’s two states, but boy, we didn’t expect the US to be one of them!

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          the universe where they’re not being genocided by people who keep saying that they wish they could stop arming the genocide but won’t because of the feels.

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          Notice how you only care about symbolic gestures and rhetoric, rather than things that actually matter like number of dead and displaced.

          It’s a good reminder that BlueMAGA liberals don’t actually think of Palestine as a real place or Palestinians as real people. You care more about what your politicians say about it than what they do.

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            No I care that Trump is giving Israel more weapons, more money, open approval for genocide, and now floating US troops doing the genocide directly instead of humanitarian aid and logistics. But you haven’t let reality influence so far so I don’t expect it to now either.

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              No I care that Trump is giving Israel more weapons, more money, open approval for genocide,

              Nah, no you don’t, as evidenced by the fact that you don’t care about the people actually being killed. You only care about the symbolic factor.

              floating US troops doing the genocide directly instead of humanitarian aid and logistics.

              Yeah, exactly: you care more about what your politicians say than what they do.

              But you haven’t let reality influence so far so I don’t expect it to now either.

              This is very rich coming from someone who thinks a politicians rhetoric is more real than the actual facts on the ground in Gaza.

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                  he’s also slowed down the genocide, which is something that biden couldn’t even manage to do and that alone automatically makes him better.

                  the only mental gymnastics performed here is giving your support to the people to are giving weapons to genociders, but continue to say that they wish they could stop.

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                  Trump has been in office two weeks and JUST endorsed ethnic cleansing.

                  I do not know any other way to tell you that actions matter more than rhetoric. You’re basically complaining that, unlike the Democrats, Trump doesn’t tell you comforting lies.

                  He’s somehow so much better because he hasn’t acted on it yet?

                  Yes, correct. This should be obvious to anyone who realizes that Palestinians are real, flesh and blood humans.

                  You’ve been tripping over yourself defending Trump this whole thread.

                  And you’ve been tripping over yourself defending genocide the last fifteen months.

                  You sure seem like you are defending your protest vote more than making a coherent point.

                  I don’t get to vote, I do get to have my family members killed by the people you vote for though

                  Look forward to seeing your mental gymnastics on this in the future

                  Every accusation is a confession with BlueMAGA libs.

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        Still coping I see.

        Most of the people roasting you here aren’t liberals. They’re anarchists, socialists, actual leftists that have always condemned the harm the US is causing. Just not dumbasses.

        You sound just as dumb as the MAGAts calling people woke.

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          Bullshit, if you care more about Orange Man Bad than the well being of Palestinians, you are not a fucking leftist.

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          As ever, BlueMAGA libs care more about what politicians say than what they do.

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              And you criticize calling for ethnic cleansing while actively praising the people who actually did ethnic cleansing.

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                1. Other people in the thread have listed the concrete actions Trump has taken abandoning all pressure Biden put on Israel.
                2. There was a previous ceasefire while Biden was in office, and the current one was made under a framework created by the Biden administration.
                3. Israel has started an offensive in the West Bank.
                4. Do you honestly believe things would have gone better had Trump been in office for the entire war?
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                  Other people in the thread have listed the concrete actions Trump has taken abandoning all pressure Biden put on Israel.

                  Biden didn’t put any pressure on Israel. In fact, Trump has already put more on when he secured a ceasefire.

                  There was a previous ceasefire while Biden was in office

                  Genocide denier.

                  and the current one was made under a framework created by the Biden administration.

                  If by “created by the Biden administration” you mean it was the same one that Biden didn’t bother to force Israel to accept, then yes.

                  Do you honestly believe things would have gone better had Trump been in office for the entire war?

                  Given that Trump was willing to actually pull lightly on Bibis leash, yes.

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        “calls for ethnic cleansing”

        consistently better

        Amazing

        You must be from a fascinating alternate reality where the sky is red and fire makes things cold and people wear hats on their feet

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          It’s very revealing of their mindset that BlueMAGA liberals consider Trump calling for ethnic cleansing to be worse that Democrats actually doing ethnic cleansing. Though, of course, to you people, foreigners aren’t human and Palestine isn’t a real place, so it’s all just talk to you.

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              Yes, famously Trump has never said he’d do something and not done it, lol.

              Though that’s beside the point anyway, we are talking about now, and the things that Trump and Biden have actually done, not things that haven’t happened.

              Though, of course, BlueMAGA liberals think Palestine is a fictional place, so to you, none of these things have happened.

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                My sibling in Satan I’m not even american, in fact I’m hoping your cancer of a fucking country fucking ends itself in the next decade.

                But in the meantime saying the guy who is currently in the process of finishing the job of displacing and killing millions has “actually done a lot better in the now” is

                … You’re either trolling or really REALLY fucking stupid.

                Either way there is no point in talking to you.

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                  My sibling in Satan I’m not even american

                  That just makes you being a BlueMAGA fanatic even more embarrassing.

                  in fact I’m hoping your cancer of a fucking country fucking ends itself in the next decade.

                  I’m not American, but if that’s how you feel, Trump is certainly making your dream more likely to become reality.

                  But in the meantime saying the guy who is currently in the process of finishing the job of displacing and killing millions has “actually done a lot better in the now” is You’re either trolling or really REALLY fucking stupid.

                  Less people are dying by far now than they were under Biden, and the people who were ethnically cleansed from Northern Gaza are returning thanks to Trump’s ceasefire. These are objective realities.

                  But of course, you care far more about what Trump says than what the Democrats do. Because Palestinians aren’t real to you, it’s all just a television show.