Summary
The North Carolina Supreme Court, in a 5-1 Republican-led decision, blocked certification of Democratic Justice Allison Riggs as the winner of a state Supreme Court race.
Riggs leads Republican Jefferson Griffin by 734 votes after recounts, but Griffin claims 60,000 ballots were illegally cast and seeks to have them invalidated.
The court will now hear Griffin’s challenge, with briefs due by January 24.
Democrats criticized the move as partisan, while the lone Democratic justice dissented, arguing there is no basis to delay certification or disrupt the election process.
Yeah after going back and forth for 80 years. Many of which were incredibly bloody.
Remind me how peaceful and great the previous 800 years were for your average French peasant?
Didn’t they have more holidays back then
Oh you just care about French peasants? God forbid you check out any other country and what they did instead. It must be fucking violence and war with you people.
I’m fairly confident France was by far one of the nicer more progressive places to live, I don’t think your argument improves if you talk about a russian serf. Britain might be a good example, but Britain absolutely liberalized because they were afraid of the same violence - the threat becomes a lot more real when your neighboring royalty lost their heads.
Sure, except from what I’ve read most liberalization we care about didn’t happen until the 20th century, at least 50 years after the 1848 uprisings, and at least 100 years after the French Revolution. That speaks to a certain lack of urgency. But no, there were commoners all over Europe, and the world. The French were not special. We even have modern examples of getting out from under dictatorships and oligarchies. They mostly involve having so many people in the street that it’s impossible to stop them. I can count the number of modern armed rebellions that worked on one hand, and they’re a puppet of Turkey now.
The only thing a French style revolution is going to bring us is battles with no prisoners, political inquisitors committing mass murder, and foreign troops trying to maintain a semblance of order near Mexico and Canada to contain the violence and possibly secure our nuclear warheads. Then people are going to be tired of all that and they’ll run to the nearest strongman. In the best case scenario those guys will make an alliance and actually end the fighting. In the worst case scenario we balkanize like Afghanistan and then everyone supports a theocracy because at least most of us are Christian and it’s unifying. Except it’s the worst most fundamentalist version because it’s led by a strongman type too.
They say politics and economics are unique sciences because you can’t run experiments properly. But we can absolutely dissect history and figure out what to avoid.
ok, but these conversations do absolutely nothing but flourish your creative writing skills. I have no clue what you and @[email protected] are talking about but vague references with no real data or links to follow along or personally interpret.
What did you read?!?!
Why did you not even give one example!?!
The main problem is people just say shit to say shit. Almost everyday I’m actually having to look up multiple tabs of shit from comments because “everyone knows the truth” (or at least so emotionally invested in their own truth they won’t even consider they might be wrong or read something false).
And now to follow along with both of you I have to abstractly search using websites that are just fucking abysmal to actually use the search function on, instead of just one little tiny link pointing me to a passage or reference. It just makes me want to tune out the conversation because there’s already too much shit I have to learn and do everyday. I WANT this information though, I think history is important but it just looks like two people arguing over interpretations of data that we have no clue of.
Read? A lot of stuff, mostly in college and then specific areas of interest afterwards. I would suggest starting with classic liberal ideology and then tracking down the implementations of it in this specific case. If you disagree on the “reforms we care about” that’s fine. I define it as universal suffrage, the right to bargain with your employer, and universal healthcare.
Examples? I did give one, Syria. Yeah it was a bit oblique, they’re effectively a puppet of Turkey for now which is why the possibility of Russians being allowed to stay was alarming to NATO countries. It looked like Turkey might be trying out a Russian friendship. There’s also Ukraine, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, India, South Korea, etc. I’m not going to make an exhaustive list.
The important thing is some people think the French Revolution was cool songs and Hugh Jackman rescuing pretty girls. It was not. It featured fun things like Mass Drownings. And the Nantes was just convenient, the other Representatives on Mission were just as bloody, only less creatively. And the entire time this was going on France was fighting a civil war against Royal Loyalists across the country.
If you really want to get into this stuff I highly recommend getting to know a site like JSTOR. they have something like 100 free articles a month and a 20$/month subscription available for unlimited if you run into issues. Unfortunately time is a major component and even more fun is researching the researchers to weed out the authors with a large bias.
I’ll take that over eating boot.
Oh good, thank you for your sacrifice.
Wait? You want me to live in a civil war hellhole too? Fuck no, fuck you. There are peaceful ways to do this.
Err… France appears to be doing fine. Are you ok dummy? Do you know how to read?
After 80 years of switching back and forth between Republics and Monarchies. With mob violence, civil wars, and brutal crackdowns. Which mostly killed commoners, not nobles. It wasn’t until 1870 that they stabilized as a Republic, because they lost a war to the Germans.
We could do that or we could follow the example of the many countries who defended their rights or claimed them by filling the streets with people.
I’m not the one with a reading comprehension problem.
Filling the streets with people, on its own, doesn’t do jack shit. It’s an implied threat and you need to be willing to follow up on it with action or you’re not getting anywhere. Also what do you intend to do when/if the government shoots the people filling the streets? Of course peaceful change is the best option, but it doesn’t always, or even most of the time, work, and in that case you have no option except to capitulate or resort to violence.
If we actually reach that point then we reach it. But if we jump to it then we have utterly failed.
Worse, I believe you have a comprehension problem.
Multiple great wins for their citizens, with universal healthcare, a great aerospace lineage, reliable and low cost energy to help their industries grow, low to no cost higher education. A robust, healthy farm industry, high regard for planetary health among citizens, and a very reasonable work-life balance.
All they had to do was demand it. You’re too chickenshit to even dream about it. Pathetic.
You could say the same about quite a few countries, without the 80 years of fuckery.
So no I don’t want to fight your war. It’s a stupid idea that only those who’ve never seen war would come up with. How about instead of calling a combat veteran a coward you try something else first. This country has tried nothing in regards to political reform platforms and you want to jump straight to violence like it’s going to be a fucking Hollywood movie. The only thing you’re buying is shit and blood. Then you get to find out that war drives people to strongman leaders because they just want the fighting to be over. They don’t care about rights or anything like that after years of fighting. It’s honestly a fucking miracle France turned out that way.
And it’s a bit weird you keep focusing on them instead of other success stories like Scandinavia or South Korea. None of them required a long period of struggle to realize those things.
You never heard of the Korean war? How much quiet fighting Scandanavian countries went through with the USSR, never mind the 11 wars Sweden and Russia have been in? None of that influenced economic and cultural decisions over the course of history? Really?
I’m also not a warhawk, and would prefer to build society as the engineer I am, not to fight. But our common enemy is wealthy, and motivated to destroy the planet by a mental disease they won’t admit to. I’d rather not be violent, but it draws inexorably towards us, we cannot make decisions halfway through collapse.
Enjoy your stolen valor, served alongside a well-broiled cut of historical ignorance 🙄
We’re not talking about every war France has been in. We’re talking about their internal struggle. And South Korea’s liberalization happened in 1987 after massive protests filled the street.
If you want to call other people ignorant then you really should go read about the subjects here before you so happily resign yourself to a lifetime of war. I don’t know how old you are but every war hawk I’ve ever listened to used that same exact line. “I want peace but the violence is just unavoidable!” Every. Fucking. Time. From Kipling to Bush.
Cope