cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/2634741
The only gun control I need is an armed homeless population
The idea actually has plenty of merit, on both sides - homeless people absolutely are in desperate need for tools of self defence, but also if anything has proven to get the NRA to support tighter gun control it’s people they consider “undesirable” arming themselves.
I’m all for marginalised people being armed, but there is also no doubt that “gun culture” in the US is an entity of its own (evident not only by the numbers and kinds of guns owned compared to other countries, but also the sheer number of shootings that happen) that is running rampant and needs getting rid of.
Guns should be treated as the tool and a last resort they are, not the basis for someone’s whole personality.
I think that if I were homeless, the first thing I’d do with a gun is sell it.
Sure, if that worked for you, fine, but that doesn’t mean other people wouldn’t want to keep it. Being homeless is really fucking dangerous.
While true. It’s because a lot of homeless are really unpredictable for various reasons.
The “down on their luck” homeless you see panhandling etc are generally the exception. Most have legitimate mental illness or drug problems. At least in my neck of America.
Owning a gun doesn’t make you safer. The odds of getting shot increase if you own a gun.
You’re approaching this from the wrong direction.
A lot of people who live in unsafe situations/locations buy a gun to try to protect themselves. It’s not that buying a gun makes you more likely to be shot, but rather that people who are already likely to be shot buy guns.
That’s accounted for. There’ve been lots of studies; here’s a story about one.
In particular, the researchers found, people who lived with handgun owners had a much higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner. The vast majority of such victims, 84%, were women, they said.
Living with a handgun owner particularly increased the risk of being shot to death in a domestic violence incident, and it did not provide any protection against being killed at home by a stranger, the researchers found.
People who lived with handgun owners “did not experience such fatal [stranger] attacks at lower rates than their neighbors in gun-free homes”, the researchers wrote, noting that stranger homicides at home were “a small minority” of the homicides observed in the study.
Lmfao, brings up DV stats about housed men shooting the women they live with after years of ongoing violence and abuse all directed towards the one person they end up shooting, to prove, what point exactly, about homeless people???
Maybe get your head out of your ass and admit you might not know what you’re talking about?
No?
I didn’t think so, but it was worth a try…
Either way, you’re full of shit, and at the very least are a wilfully ignorant classist who thinks they know better than those with the actual lived experience.
You don’t.
Statistically, yes. Individually, guns are not bullet magnets, but they make their owners take more risks and try less hard to escape dangerous situations, which is a grave mistake.
Assuming concealed carry and the proper mindset of only using a gun as an absolute last resort (big assumption), a weapon is just a tool, and having it in the toolbox would be more useful than not.
'tis the heart of the debate. Individually, guns are tools. Yet societally, the damage caused by the mentally unsound gun owners vastly outweigh the individual benefits, which is why all developed countries besides the US heavily restrict their use (though guns are not as rare here than Americans might believe, especially in rural areas where they are used as tools to protect against or hunt wildlife, or in some countries with conscription where reservists might own a gun, but aren’t normally allowed to carry it in public).
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I’d love to see this comparison between homeless and housed people, but let me save you time - A. homeless people shoot significantly less people and B. most shootings aren’t done by those with mental illness.
But don’t let reality get in the way of your bad and privileged take…
Keep in mind that the largest cause of gun deaths are suicides. You need to factor that into your claim.
If you kill yourself, you’re still dead.
Yes, people die when they are killed
You’re completely missing the point. The point is that suicide is inflating the statistic of owning a gun increasing your chances of being shot. If you don’t have issues with depression, that increase in risk is significantly less.
Is there an actual group pushing for that? (I’m pretty sure I remember a decade or so back there being an arm the homeless group, that put out santa’s etc… though didn’t actually accept donations. (Their actual goal was common sense gun laws, and they knew the people who are pro-gun would argue strongly against it shooting their own pro-gun arguements in the foot).
#libertrians #armtheHomeless The homeless are one of the most at risk group to authoritarian violence including, but not limited to, police. There is at least one campaign in my region looking to collect firearms that you don’t need anymore to donate them to the homeless.
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Maybe we shouldn’t try to advocate for restricting access to guns when we have a rising fascist threat.
We don’t need another Beto O’Rourke. We need to win elections and defeat fascism.
Actually advocating for looser gun laws makes you the real fascist here
Bud I’m begging you to look up how the nazis treated guns.
I’ll give you the simplified answer: ban guns for minorities, arm their supporters.
If you remember this, it explains how Democrats and Republicans are part of the same agenda on guns.
Given all the crime committed by the homeless and violence within encampments, this seems like a horrifyingly terribly idea
Give em guns, Amphetamines and Fentanyl. IRL Fortnight match.
