• Ukraine destroyed columns of waiting Russian soldiers with HIMARS, a Ukrainian commander said.
  • He said Ukraine targeted them as soon as it got permission to use allied weapons across the border.
  • Military experts say Ukraine’s ability to use Western-supplied weapons in Russia is aiding its fightback.
  • kescusay@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Good. Make Russian civilians see the horrors of the war they support personally.

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        Russian civilians weren’t targeted, the missile was intercepted by russian air defense on its way to a military target. The shrapnel happened to fall on that beach.

        Edit: If you’re thinking of holidaying in an active warzone, perhaps reconsider.

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          That was an ATACM missile with a cluster bomb warhead. Not “shrapnel”.

          Edit: If you’re thinking of holidaying in an active warzone, perhaps reconsider.

          So you’re saying israelis holding a rave next to a concentration camp should have reconsidered their location on Oct7?

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            That was an ATACM missile with a cluster bomb warhead. Not “shrapnel”.

            It was an “ATACM missile with a cluster bomb warhead” until russian air defence turned it into shrapnel

            So you’re saying israelis holding a rave next to a concentration camp should have reconsidered their location on Oct7?

            Yup.

            Although not sure why we’re talking about Israel now, this conversation was about Russia blaming ukraine for bombing intentionally civilians when they were actually attempting to bomb legitimate military targets, likely in sevastapol bay.

            The Oct7 attack isn’t even comperable, civilians were actively targeted there, not so here

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        “Targeted”. (Likely just an intercepted missile)

        They’re on a fucking beach, on illegally occupied land, during an active war. I’m pretty sure they knew the risk.

        Play stupid games, grow 🌻

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        Last thing I remember yesterday many condemned Israel for announcing it’s land development program that is gossiped as planned on occupied territories. Today there were news of a shitbag minister who voiced a plan to take the West Bank under a military rule (and to convert it into profits?), and I don’t see many support to him there as well. Would it be too cynical to ask wtf these settlers would be doing there?

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          Condemning israel is like condemning Russia when they kill civilians. Rather easy. Of course people were praising israel initially but we’re past that.

          The fun part is now the Ukrainan resistance is doing what the Palestinian resistance was doing and asking why people react so differently.

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              The fun part is watching people do mental gymnastics to condemn Hamas but praise Ukraine. Both have committed war crimes while resisting occupation, but we seemingly only care when one of them does so.

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        I’m sorry that this is the best job you can find right now. It can’t be a very fun job. But you are also kind of bad at it, you should at least try to make the post sound like a real human could possibly think the things that are said.

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          Proximity doesn’t matter, the beach is in the flight path so it could be anywhere between the launching point of the missile and the target

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            Wuh-wuh-wuhddabout… Get a new tactic. That one is completely worn out at this point.

            For our other readers, those missiles were intended for the military facilities nearby and were shot down by Russian AA and debris fell on the beach (hence the lack of explosions)

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              If the comment said “I hope israeli civilians see the horrors or war” I’m sure you would be just as generous with your thought process. Oh wait you’d be calling him straight up Genocidal.

              There is no whataboutism cluster munitions are illegal and this is a war crime. This is not debris this is the ATACKMS filled with m74 bomblets.

              Just be consistent in your morals. This is like someone defending Hamas gunning down non combatants.

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                cluster munitions are illegal

                Well, depends on the country. For example, if you are in Ukraine or russia (and surprisingly, Finland) they are legal.

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                    Weird to segue directly from arguing that cluster munitions are illegal into claiming that the legality of weapons doesn’t matter, but okay

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                    Check that link you posted. It’s only illegal in signatory countries. That’s how international law works. You can call it morally wrong, but if you call it illegal that’s just false unfortunately.

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                Fun fact, there are only two major countries that employ cluster munitions the United States and Russia. Everybody else has banned them. Since Ukraine is using almost exclusively Russian and American stocks of munitions for this war…

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            What does the proximity of the kibbutzes to Israeli military bases have to do with anything? Did Hamas accidentally murder civilians in their homes while trying to go after legit targets?

            “Oops, we missed the military base and accidentally cut this old guys head off with a garden hoe and machine gunned some families hiding in their homes! Honest mistake!”

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              The guy said “I hope Russian civilians see the horrors of war”

              And using cluster munitions is banned. Did Ukraine oopsie a wrong rocket? Honest mistake!

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                And using cluster munitions is banned.

                TFW you don’t know how treaties work

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                  So if israel kills Palestinian civilians… first does Hamas get the right to kill israelis indiscriminately?

                  You don’t know how international law works. Cluster munitions are banned. But sure keep on defending civilians being killed. Just a very reasonable person on Lemmy defending the killing of Russian civilians after someone wishes they see the horrors of war.

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                    You’re the only one here talking about Israel and Palestine. The rest of us are talking about Russia and Ukraine. Neither of those two (nor the US) signed the convention on cluster munitions.

                  • Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world
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                    So if israel kills Palestinian civilians… first does Hamas get the right to kill israelis indiscriminately?

                    No, why would you think that?

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                Civilians weren’t intentionally targeted by Ukraine, unlike Hamas, who happily murders children.

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                  Less than 3% of the israelis killed by Hamas on October7 were children.

                  40% of the people killed by this “unintentional cluster bombing” were children

                  Mhhh

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        It’s funny because you are still allowed to post these shit takes, but if you switched Hamas and Russia you’d be banned from .ml at light speed.

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          Did you notice the guy above me wishing bad things to happen to civilians or you just wanna keep ignoring that.

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        I mean those are some stupid russians to be chilling on the beach at the edge of an active war zone

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          Ukraine is fighting to survive.

          Yes that’s what Hamas is doing. They are in a far more precarious spot than Ukraine too. Israel was committing Genocide in Gaza far before Oct7. Which makes the comparison wrong.

          Russia is comparable to israel. Invading and annexing land by killing people. Hamas is the party resisting occupation just like Ukraine.

          If we put the double standards away everyone would start condemning Ukraine right now like they were/are condemning Hamas. Using cluster munitions on civilians is not a great look. What’s different? How the media sells the story?

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            Who’s using cluster munitions on civilians? The missile was intercepted on the way to it’s actual target. They weren’t targeting that beach

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              That might be what happened. But as we see the cluster bombs did not explode during interception. Instead they landed all over a beach of people on annexation vacation. There’s a reason why cluster bombs are banned.

              But in any case. These are the “horrors of war” which the original commenter was hoping Russian civilians would be seeing no?

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                  https://disarmament.unoda.org/convention-on-cluster-munitions/

                  The Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM) prohibits under any circumstances the use, development, production, acquisition, stockpiling and transfer of cluster munitions, as well as the assistance or encouragement of anyone to engage in prohibited activities. The text of the Convention is available for download in the six official UN languages: عربي, 中文, English, français, русский, español.

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                    You’re one link click away from understanding why your message is stupid. Question is whether it’s message alone.

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                    They even provided a link to signatories of the convention in your link for you to peruse.

                    Surprise, Neither the US, Ukraine, nor Russia are signatories.

                    So not a warcrime for any party in this situation