Perhaps Bibi has something on him?..
I think Trump would say anything you want live on TV if you gave him like fifty dollars
Does it even matter? Even if you remove everything about Epstein and Iran from the conversation, he is still objectively a shitty person and one of the most incompetent and self serving people to hold high office in a country that elects its leaders.
You would probably have to go back 100 years to find someone that is the head of state in a country that is a major player on the world stage to find someone that is as unfit for the job as Trump.
If Donald Trump isn’t an actual pedophile in the Epstein files, he is absolutely being blackmailed by pedophiles who are in the Epstein files.
The only other explanation is that he is so fantastically stupid that he is behaving like he is being blackmailed by pedophiles without actually being blackmailed by pedophiles. And while I wouldn’t put it past him to be that stupid, I’m pretty sure he’s either a pedophile and/or being blackmailed by pedophiles.
What are you going to blackmail him with? Being a foreign asset? Grifting and embezzling the fuck out of the country? Raping and trafficking children?
He already publicly does/did all those things. He isn’t being blackmailed, he’s just a run-of-the-mill rich dumbass.
Don’t you know there are files not redacted?.. Not just victims. Looks like much worse.
They redacted victims?
It’s all not just the victims and you know that. The predators names are redacted too.
No. I think he’s just the most visible psychopath in the room.
The true horror of Trump is not just the things he’s done. Its that everyone now knows what he’s done - and seemingly quite a lot of people don’t really care.
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The way blackmailing works is, the blakmailer threatens the blackmailee to reveal their secrets.
Trump’s secrets are already out there: he’s a convicted rapist and his name appears more than a million times in the unredacted Epstein files - i.e. if he’s not a fucking pedo, I’m the King of England. No blackmailer has anything on him that everybody doesn’t already know.
So no.
Do you not realize, that there could be worse things out there of him? Unreleased and unredacted.
Yeah, there’s a fair chance that he might be a murderer also. That’s also out there.
And not a single voter will care.
I think the problem is that the fraction of people you’re referring to absolutely would care had they not been basically trained to reflexively dismiss claims of wrongdoing against “daddy” as “fake news”. History is probably going to say trump was probably the most effective con man the world has ever seen.
I don’t think so. Trump is undoubtedly a con man. However, I think it’s going to be studies about the media and misinformation channels that dominate history books. Trump doesn’t have psychological insight. He acts on impulse and is a compulsive liar and narcissist. It’s how he was portrayed and how social media, in particular “engagement” driving views and clicks that will be studied. Obviously, the owners of these channels realised the power of the algorithm, just like previous oligarchs realised the value of newspapers and tv stations. It just became more hidden and personalised how we were being manipulated.
A guy held a sign in support of a Reform candidate in the UK saying he’d rather have Jimmy Saville than the other candidates and Reform voters are saying it’s AI. Reform is one of the fascist parties (and ahead in the polls).
i think if theres actual footage of him doing these things, tides turn quickly.
You mean firing up the disinformation machine? Yes.
Just think of all the videos of people being murdered by police and the ICE thugs, it wont amount to anything.
Do you not realize that anyone who doesn’t care about everything we already know, is just going to continue to not care?
Do you not realize that there were so many pages redacted, and it wasn’t just the victims?
Oh, I’m sure of it. The people who are going to care, already do, his sycophants will continue to support him NO MATTER WHAT.
True, evil people with money and money talks apparently.
Trump voters dont care if they are redacted or not. He is a cult leader. They will drink the kool aid because theyre narcissistics
Do you think there is anything unknown at this point that’d actually make a difference? Even saying Trump could rape a child live on Fox News wouldn’t hurt him is old hat now. I don’t buy into the idea that his voter base and staff will magically grow a conscience in response to…anything. The people opposed to him, is there something that gets them to actually organise and do something about the rot? I’m on the outside looking in so idk.
So far he’s shown no sense of shame or even that his victims are people, and his followers don’t seem to care
The thing is, there’s no public smoking gun evidence that would put him away for a long time. I think the fact that the unredacted Epstein files haven’t been released means that the evidence does exist, and the oligarchs are using that to manipulate policy. It’s likely policy that Trump himself already wants because he can profit off of it, but I do think there is kompromat out there that is being used.
Not many people with first hand knowledge and nobody prominent has revealed incontrovertible facts though. Anyone with half a brain who isn’t obsessed with his pumpkin-painted dumb face knows he is guilty, of course, considering he said he was “best friends” with JE during JE’s most unrestrained period. But still millions of people think there’s no evidence, and the admin is still suppressing over 3 million documents and redacted the rest to hell.
Well, like I said previously, since it’s just about impossible for ordinary folks to get the Epstein files released in full, we should all default to assuming all those mentioned in it are guilty - and since all those fuckers are rich and powerful and they can get the files released, if they want their names cleared, they can jolly well demand the release of the exculpatory evidence themselves.
And what’s blindingly obvious, starting with the one pedo who’s most mentioned in the files, is that they’re not exactly rushing to demand the truth set free…
Trump’s secrets are already out there: he’s a convicted rapist and his name appears more than a million times in the unredacted Epstein files
They have pictures and videos of him raping and torturing small children. Possibly even eating them, if some rumors are true.
I think he might be too narcissistic (and stupid) for blackmail. First off, he’d lie to the blackmailers and regardless, he’d tell somebody else about it. He is the proverbial chess pigeon.
If you’re being blackmailed you also need to be worried about the consequences of the information being revealed, like legal consequences.
Trump dgaf about any of that, nobody’s prosecuting him for the existing things he’s done.
You don’t think there’s maybe Israeli or Russian … or even CIA dossiers on Epstein/Trump, that include say, very explicit and direct photos or videos of Trump doing extremely illegal things to children…
… you know, the kind of things its Kash Patel’s job to censor and deny?
Epstein was basically into ‘triple agent’ territory, where he had so many allegiances and connections that he essentially had to start playing the intel game for himself, as himself.
To me it seems highly likely that much of the information on/around Epstein exists within Mossad, the FSB… they probably have a lot of the same stuff as what the FBI has, but of course, they have their own decision making process for what they would or would not publicize, deny, censor, etc.
Maxwell is living it up at what amounts to a college dorm room instead of where she should be, which is front and center on the gallows.
The thing about people like Trump, is that they always do worse than the most vile speculations about them.
I’m sure over his life he has been blackmailed several times, starting when he was a teenager.
Why stop now? Nothing in his ordinary business stopped now, and I assume the question is not who is currently trying, but which agencies and people are not.
its horrifying to imagine what he has done that is so bad he can be blackmailed over it
That is your speculation. But he has to do worse than your speculation, isn’t there a kind of infinite recursion there?
No. Of course it’s possible, but if the only evidence is that he’s doing everything Israel wants, then does Israel also have something on the vast majority of Congress? Did they have something on Biden, Obama, Bush, etc?
The simpler and more likely explanation is that all these politicians support Israel for other reasons, because Israel serves as an unsinkable aircraft carrier for the US and a staging ground to conduct it’s campaigns of terror and conquest across the MENA region. Look at how many countries in that region the US has destabilized: Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iran, and of course the Israelis themselves are attacking Palestine and Lebanon. Virtually every country that isn’t already in the US sphere of influence. This is a consistent campaign of conquest that goes across decades of different administrations.
You don’t have to blackmail US politicians to get them to bomb brown kids in the Middle East, it’s what they all want to do anyway.
This. Israel is the unofficial 51st State of America, they don’t need blackmail lol
The only thing is that the US hasn’t really used Israel as a staging area for expeditionary action in the Middle East.
Both the Gulf and Iraq Wars used Saudi Arabia as a staging ground. Afghanistan was too far away for the US to use Israel. If anything, the US usually excludes Israel from any overt military action given the political blowback from using Israel in the region.
Israel is used as a destabilizing presence in the ME to prevent the region from uniting against Western imperialism. The point is not to use Israel as a staging ground for direct US action, but to allow it to do its thing so that the region is focused on the immediate threat of Israel and less able to respond to US soft power threats.
“Let us extract your resources, or we will allow Israel to assassinate your leaders and bomb your schools.”
Even if that’s true, they are still in the US sphere of influence just like Saudi Arabia, and that’s all that US politicians care about. They will happily overlook Israeli crimes just as they overlook Saudi crimes, and I don’t see people suggesting the Saudis have blackmail material.
What do people mean by saying the US does whatever Israel wants? Sending them weapons to kill brown kids in Palestine, Lebanon, etc? The US wants to do that. Bombing Iran? The US wants to do that. Either you have to take the theory further and say that the whole reason the US wants to dominate the region is for Israel’s sake (I don’t know why they can’t just want to dominate it for their own sake), or you have to ignore all the conflicts the US has gotten involved in in the region that aren’t directly related to Israel, brushing them off as coincidence.
Either way, the simplest explanation is that the US is simply a militaristic state hellbent on domination and expansion through conquest, motivated by the same things that have always motivated imperial conquest, from Rome to Britain.
What do people mean by saying the US does whatever Israel wants? Sending them weapons to kill brown kids in Palestine, Lebanon, etc?
That Israel has invested in American politicians and American public opinion for decades. It doesn’t absolve the US of its moral failing, but it provides an explanation.
And the US has done the same to other countries. And there are countless billionaires and corporations that influence US politics just as Israel does.
Maybe we should focus more on the general problem of class conflict rather than looking at it in terms of nations. If you got all the Israeli money out of US politics but did nothing about the other corporate money and corruption, it’s hard to imagine much would change.
Why do you keep taking people talking about how something is working as them saying it is good and just?
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
then does Israel also have something on the vast majority of Congress?
Isn’t that well known? When did people forget Israel pays for the campaign of the vast majority of the politicians in the US?
We’re talking about blackmail material. If AIPAC is sufficient explanation for why congress supports Israel, why do we need all this conjecture and supposition that Trump is being blackmailed, when we know for a fact that he takes AIPAC money too?
My guess it’s because it’s very likely that Israel has some very damning blackmail material on Trump.
But I do agree it’s not necessary. There’s enough publicly known reasons for Trump to support them to the death of the second-to-last US citizen without the need of any secret material.
Plus Trump has a natural hardon for authoritarian leaders. What’s cooler than killing protesters and bombing civilians? Trump wants badly to be friends.
He absolutely is beyond a shadow of a doubt in my mind. I would say the majority of the politicians in the west are. Thiel and palantir are a new Epstein/ghisine Mossad blackmail operation
I thought at first that he was likely being blackmailed by Israel - it’s near certain that the Israeli government has at least as much evidence of his serial child rape as the US government does.
Mostly based on the way the whole war played out though, I tend more toward a different theory now.
I think Bibi convinced him that overthrowing Iran would be a cake walk - that just like Venezuela, they could go in fast and bomb the shit out of things and get rid of the Ayatollah and take over, and then Trump could get Narges Mohammadi out of prison and she’d be so thankful that she’d give him her Nobel medal, and then he’d be the bestest President ever in the history of ever because he’d have two Nobels (well - technically, he’d only have two Nobel medals, and claiming that he has a Nobel because he has a medal is sort of like claiming he’s a Super Bowl champion because he has a ring, but he’s too stupid to realize that).
And everything played out just as intended, right up to the point that Iran didn’t collapse and instead just calmly set about replacing the Ayatollah and systematically bombing American bases and property all around the Middle East while closing down the Strait of Hormuz. And he’s been desperately flailing around and throwing tantrums ever since, because that wasn’t what Bibi promised.
Both of these possibilities could be true, of course.
The latter theory also is how I believe Trump was persuaded to start military action against Iran. But I think it is also highly likely that the Israelis have dirt on Trump via Epstein, who had ties with Mossad and frequently fraternized with top-ranking Israeli officials.
However, to leak this information publicly could cause some major blowback, given how unpredictable a cornered Trump would be. It’s easy to imagine him going on a live newsfeed and start throwing all kinds of people under the bus if he thought he had nothing left to lose.
Oh definitely.
I didn’t shift to the “breeze in and get another Nobel medal” theory because I changed my mind about Israel likely having plenty of material with which to blackmail the rapist-in-chief - I have no doubt that they do. I just think that appealing to his ego and his childlike desire for recognition would’ve been seen to be a better approach, and having a Nobel winner in prison in Iran was just too perfect an opportunity to miss.
And yes to the blowback, but I’d go much further. I think that if he thought he was cornered and his ego was at risk, he wouldn’t even hesitate to start a nuclear war if nothing else seemed likely to save him from exposure.
I wish I was kidding.
I agree with you but I really wish people would stop calling him ‘Bibi’. He’s not our buddy, or some boisterous but quirky and lovable uncle figure from reality TV. He’s a war criminal responsible for genocide, aided and abetted by other politicians who have been so close to him for so long that they have an affectionate nickname for him.
On reflection, I think you’re right. I didn’t think of it as affectionate by any means, but I can see how it could appear that way, and at this point, appearances are far too important.
Blackmailed yes, stupid yes, a pedophile yes, a Russian spy yes.
No, that’s giving Trump too much credit. He’s shown us over and over that he’s interested in personal gain, easily manipulated, and is fine with outright bribery. Blackmail seems like the hard way of getting things done
What makes you think he’s being blackmailed? War is a business, they don’t care about people, they are fine with what israel is doing and supporting it, being able to blame someone for it is a bonus point.
Absolutely no doubt about it he is or was being blackmailed to some degree. But now he’s acting like he isn’t. It’s entirely possible that counter intelligence retrieved the blackmail that israel had on trump? Which would be easy to do
under thecoverwith the chaos of iran war.During the earlier portion of this conflict trump did several off again on again, changing his mind rapidly, kind of things. I find this very indicative of being blackmailed or coerced
Eh, I’d say he was being blackmailed, but its hard to imagine him giving a shit, or being cogent enough to give a shit now.
A) Trump’s dementia is well known at this point; his positions literally always align either perfectly with or against the last person he speaks to. Man’s brain is soup. His flipflopping on Iran comes down to whether he last spoke with Lindsay Graham, Pete Hegseth, Marco Rubio, Benjamin Netanyahu, or JD Vance. Graham walks in, graham walks out, we’re at war. Hegseth walks in then out, now we’re bombing kids. Rubio walks in then out, now we’re open to negotiations (and invading Cuba). Netanyahu, back to bombing kids. Vance, now we’re surrendering. Graham again, now we’re threatening to kill diplomats.
B) For as soup as he is, I think he gets that no one he cares about gives a shit what he’s done. Everyone already knows he’s a pedophile, his supporters just don’t care enough to grapple with it, and any meaningful opposition isn’t capable of or willing to do a damn thing. Honestly I’m surprised he doesn’t brag about it at this point.
Honestly I’m surprised he doesn’t brag about it at this point.
He probably insists to his close family that he isn’t - none of them would like to think their dad, cousin, husband or uncke was a pedo. Deep denial there. Maybe his son donald junior knows and hence didn’t invite him to his wedding.
Also, i think being attracted to minors is embarassing even for a glamour-pedo like Trump. Epstein files indicate they boast to one another, but they can’t boast to general society, and on some level will feel bad for not having normal attraction.
I say this with all due sincerity: I truly believe the only reason Trump didn’t pull a Diddy and run train on girls with his sons is because he hates them. Believing “Jr didn’t invite his dad because his dad is a pedo,” is predicated on believing Jr isn’t at least comfortable with pedos, which, doubt. I could see Ivanka and Jared having an issue with it, but ultimately it’d probably be just Ivanka who would separate herself, MAYBE Jr’s daughter. $5 on Kai defending him on IG, deadass arguing that times were different back then.
Didn’t someone have kompromat on him from like 2015 where he was pissing on escorts in a bed Obama slept in at a hotel or some petty, childish shit like that?
It was Putin, and it wasn’t trump pissing on escorts, it was trump ordering underage girls to piss on the bed Obama slept in as he watched. Reportedly, it didn’t stop there.
Trump was staying at a hotel in Moscow, and Putin, being ex-KGB, had cameras everywhere, and he provided the girls. Putin has video of trump raping girls in Moscow.
