Switzerland to host crucial US-Iran talks on June 21 as Tehran shuts the Strait of Hormuz amid Israeli strikes on Lebanon and fragile ceasefire violations.
I mean, it’s not a bad play to stop Israel’s genociding. To be clear, Iran’s regime is evil, they treat their people, especially women, terribly. Meanwhile, Israel has gone off the rails and there doesn’t seem to be a single western power willing to sit them down and have an intervention to get them off this bender of blood and ruin.
So, Iran, of all people, is going to force the point by closing the straight until they do.
i’m speaking as an iranian american, respectfully, you need to come to terms with that and accept that you don’t actually know anything about iran, or really, a lot of the countries you probably think are “evil”. your entire life has been a brainwashing and lying campaign by your government and the corporations that control it. they want you to think the iranian government is evil so they can manufacture consent. it’s literally that simple, and you repeating their point of view, or prefacing your “maybe we shouldn’t indiscriminately kill civilians” opinion with their talking points only goes to serve their goals.
and before anybody’s brainwashing kicks in;
you not agreeing with the iranian way of life doesn’t make the government evil, and whether you want to accept it or not, most iranians do support their government. no, the iranian people are not brainwashed or stupid, you just have been misinformed about life in iran and how the government functions. example; my father was caught on a bus with alcohol. he was “sentenced” to 15 lashes. in reality he sat in a holding cell for 2 days then went home. whether or not you agree with the prohibition of alcohol is irrelevant
another example, and i’ll preface this by saying i’m not trying to paint life in iran as easy, but in iran, the government actually does things to try and make life for its citizens livable despite the conditions america has created for the country. the government tries to make sure housing is affordable, provides healthcare and full education. women are on average MORE educated than men and leagues more educated than both men and women in any western country so i think it’s funny americans have this idea that iranian women are so oppressed, but that’s besides the point; for how “evil” the “iranian regime” is can you say that the AMERICAN government does anything like that to make life for ITS citizens better? more livable? does the US government do ANYTHING AT ALL for its citizens? anything you can point to is a handout to corporations. even the supposed “welfare state” in the US is just a handout to corporations. when a walmart worker gets food stamps, the walmart worker isn’t the one benefitting in that situation, it’s walmart who is saving money on labor over millions of employees american taxes pay for
I’m not defending maga, or some of the shit that’s gone down prior in our long and sometimes sordid history. Everyone has better healthcare, undisputed. But most of my commentary here and in RL comes from this. I believe, in any place, relationship, government where women do not have the legal equality and freedom of men, I see it as evil. I include my own government and country in that estimation. Secular or religious, that context matters not at all, to me. That’s not fed by propaganda. If a woman chooses a certain life, cool. If it’s thrust upon her by circumstance, that’s different.
I am curious. How much of the story of Melina Asadi’s death and such was real and how much was propaganda? I followed those stories.
the issue here is that your western brainwashing makes you completely unable to contend with two facts; 1. that women in iran are equal to men, and that equality looks different from one culture to another, and 2. you’re basing your opinions off of propaganda and brainwashing while being so propagandized that you believe you’re coming from some place of objective observation. you are the type of person who is almost not worth talking to, frankly. even your question at the end, genuinely ask yourself, how true do you really think the narrative behind this thing that happened in a country thousands of miles away that was plastered all over your tv as an excuse to invade and bomb people is? your tv will show you a video of a black man getting choked to death by a cop and say “maybe it was a drug overdose we don’t know”. you think they’re telling you the truth about anything else in any other country? you must be smarter than that.
Israel has been fighting on multiple different fronts against groups that wouldn’t exist (or wouldn’t be much of a threat) if not for Iran flooding them with cash and weapons to cause trouble — and it’s now been going on for nearly three generations.
I’m not a fan of Israel’s tactics, and I don’t forgive or forget the fact that they got so tired of the shit Iran has been pulling with arming roughly a dozen different anti-Israeli groups including Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Ansar Allah, Kata’ib Hezbollah, Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq, Badr Organization, and various Syrian militias. All of these groups are anti-Israel, and likely wouldn’t exist (or would only exist as minor irritants with little power) if not for being funded and supported (and armed) by Iran.
If Brazil were pumping massive amounts of money and weapons into the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys and the 3 Percenters and you had constant attacks going on from them on American soil on a daily basis, I think Americans would be pretty pissed off, and after 50 years of dealing with that kind of shit would likely turn to some pretty extremist politicians too (hell, they haven’t had to put up with that kind of crap and installed such an administration anyway!)
I don’t agree AT ALL with the way Israel is treating the Palestinians — but I can see how they politically got to where they are today.
I mean, it’s not a bad play to stop Israel’s genociding. To be clear, Iran’s regime is evil, they treat their people, especially women, terribly. Meanwhile, Israel has gone off the rails and there doesn’t seem to be a single western power willing to sit them down and have an intervention to get them off this bender of blood and ruin.
So, Iran, of all people, is going to force the point by closing the straight until they do.
Iran only exists in this form because of the US and Israel. They were a flourishing culture until interfered with.
Israel won’t stop.
But this might cause Trump to stop sending them weapons, which will give their victims a better chance at winning.
Trump is more likely to start dropping nukes on Iran than to reign in Israel.
Have you been paying attention to the shut he’s been saying about Netanyaho recently?
He changed his mind again. He threatened to kill the Iranian diplomats today. Iran says they’re not negotiating anymore and I don’t blame them.
Honestly it doesn’t matter what Trump says because he will forget it in less than day. His dementia is advancing quickly.
i’m speaking as an iranian american, respectfully, you need to come to terms with that and accept that you don’t actually know anything about iran, or really, a lot of the countries you probably think are “evil”. your entire life has been a brainwashing and lying campaign by your government and the corporations that control it. they want you to think the iranian government is evil so they can manufacture consent. it’s literally that simple, and you repeating their point of view, or prefacing your “maybe we shouldn’t indiscriminately kill civilians” opinion with their talking points only goes to serve their goals.
and before anybody’s brainwashing kicks in;
you not agreeing with the iranian way of life doesn’t make the government evil, and whether you want to accept it or not, most iranians do support their government. no, the iranian people are not brainwashed or stupid, you just have been misinformed about life in iran and how the government functions. example; my father was caught on a bus with alcohol. he was “sentenced” to 15 lashes. in reality he sat in a holding cell for 2 days then went home. whether or not you agree with the prohibition of alcohol is irrelevant
another example, and i’ll preface this by saying i’m not trying to paint life in iran as easy, but in iran, the government actually does things to try and make life for its citizens livable despite the conditions america has created for the country. the government tries to make sure housing is affordable, provides healthcare and full education. women are on average MORE educated than men and leagues more educated than both men and women in any western country so i think it’s funny americans have this idea that iranian women are so oppressed, but that’s besides the point; for how “evil” the “iranian regime” is can you say that the AMERICAN government does anything like that to make life for ITS citizens better? more livable? does the US government do ANYTHING AT ALL for its citizens? anything you can point to is a handout to corporations. even the supposed “welfare state” in the US is just a handout to corporations. when a walmart worker gets food stamps, the walmart worker isn’t the one benefitting in that situation, it’s walmart who is saving money on labor over millions of employees american taxes pay for
I’m not defending maga, or some of the shit that’s gone down prior in our long and sometimes sordid history. Everyone has better healthcare, undisputed. But most of my commentary here and in RL comes from this. I believe, in any place, relationship, government where women do not have the legal equality and freedom of men, I see it as evil. I include my own government and country in that estimation. Secular or religious, that context matters not at all, to me. That’s not fed by propaganda. If a woman chooses a certain life, cool. If it’s thrust upon her by circumstance, that’s different.
I am curious. How much of the story of Melina Asadi’s death and such was real and how much was propaganda? I followed those stories.
the issue here is that your western brainwashing makes you completely unable to contend with two facts; 1. that women in iran are equal to men, and that equality looks different from one culture to another, and 2. you’re basing your opinions off of propaganda and brainwashing while being so propagandized that you believe you’re coming from some place of objective observation. you are the type of person who is almost not worth talking to, frankly. even your question at the end, genuinely ask yourself, how true do you really think the narrative behind this thing that happened in a country thousands of miles away that was plastered all over your tv as an excuse to invade and bomb people is? your tv will show you a video of a black man getting choked to death by a cop and say “maybe it was a drug overdose we don’t know”. you think they’re telling you the truth about anything else in any other country? you must be smarter than that.
I’m sorry but any country that has public executions can get fucked.
They’re only trying to get Israel to do less genociding. Stopping the genocide in Gaza isn’t on the table.
Israel has been fighting on multiple different fronts against groups that wouldn’t exist (or wouldn’t be much of a threat) if not for Iran flooding them with cash and weapons to cause trouble — and it’s now been going on for nearly three generations.
I’m not a fan of Israel’s tactics, and I don’t forgive or forget the fact that they got so tired of the shit Iran has been pulling with arming roughly a dozen different anti-Israeli groups including Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Ansar Allah, Kata’ib Hezbollah, Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq, Badr Organization, and various Syrian militias. All of these groups are anti-Israel, and likely wouldn’t exist (or would only exist as minor irritants with little power) if not for being funded and supported (and armed) by Iran.
If Brazil were pumping massive amounts of money and weapons into the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys and the 3 Percenters and you had constant attacks going on from them on American soil on a daily basis, I think Americans would be pretty pissed off, and after 50 years of dealing with that kind of shit would likely turn to some pretty extremist politicians too (hell, they haven’t had to put up with that kind of crap and installed such an administration anyway!)
I don’t agree AT ALL with the way Israel is treating the Palestinians — but I can see how they politically got to where they are today.