Girl is one of the most gendered terms, and calling someone who’s gender is unclear or otherwise not explicitly feminine a “fangirl” draws on misogynistic perceptions.
Either way, I don’t think it’s unknown that OP is pro-Russian, but I don’t see how that translates to being pro-war.
I don’t think it is. Not the meme anyway. u/jankforlife may be pro-Russian (which is the correct stance for any anti-imperialist to take) and post other memes that are pro-Russian, but this particular meme is neutral as to whether Russia is a positive or negative force in geopolitics. It’s just pointing out the double standard of western liberals. But yes, you are of course correct that there are no “lies” being repeated here, this piefed bootlicker is just throwing a tantrum about seeing a meme where Russia isn’t explicitly being compared to Mordor and Putin to Voldemort, and it’s breaking their propaganda-pickled brain.
President Volodymyr Zelensky provided full state honors for the ritual, signaling a deep shift in Ukrainian politics after Russia’s invasion in 2022. Before then, Mr. Zelensky had kept nationalist politics at arm’s length; in the reburial, he embraced them.
It’s not a lie, it’s an easily demonstrable fact. But the meme that you are whining and pissing yourself about says nothing about the fact that Ukraine is a Nazi state (which it is). All it says is that there is a common double standard to what many people (presumably western liberals) think what constitutes a “war crime” vs an “unfortunate but necessary” act depending on whether that act was performed by one of the US’s enemies or by the US and its ally regimes. You are just looking for something to throw a fit about.
You’re both right - it is a gendered noun, it is a genderless verb. The line has become blurred between the two distinctions, and ‘fangirl’ is often used as a genderless noun as well. “I am a [thing] fangirl” is a common phrasing online irrespective of gender.
Using fangirl on someone of unspecified gender is clearly gendering the behavior attempted to be called out. One could just as easily call someone a sycophant without resorting to needlessly gendered terms.
While I agree that in an ideal world we wouldn’t feel the need to use gendered terms (in english I should say, lest we pull an imperialism on gendered languages), the use of a gendered term really isn’t in-of-itself misogyny.
Hey, look, a real world example demonstrating why your worldview is not up to the task of dealing with reality!
Patriarchy is a huge ancient oppressive system. One of the domains of patriarchy is language, specifically embedding the gender binary and misogyny into both denotative and connotative meaning. Hysterical literally means “crazy the way a woman is crazy”.
Addressing the oppression of patriarchy and its effects on language by working to move beyond the gendered binary and the misogyny is not in any way, shape, or form imperialism or analogous to imperialism.
When you undo the harm of oppression, that it not doing an oppression. When you fight back against imperialists, that is not imperialism. When you work against racism, that is not racism. And when you fight against patriarchy, it’s not feminine patriarchy.
I simply didn’t want to force my cultural interpretations of gender onto the language of an entirely separate culture. That’s a discussion that they should have without my interference - I have no place to comment on, for example, the push for the adoption of the term “latinx” (doubly so as this discussion is entirely about the use of a gendered term in english and interpretations drawn from one culture aren’t universally applicable)
No, seriously, working to degender the languages of European patriarchal white Christian supremacist genocidal nations is not “doing an imperialism” on them. Yes, you can impose on them. No it’s not oppression.
This isn’t use of a gendered term in a vacuum. Sure, “Fangirl” is not necessarily a bad thing to call someone in appropriate context, but as always, context makes all the difference. In the context here, the person who used the term is clearly using “fan-x” to be a negative thing. Completely removing gender from the equation, they clearly think it is both wrong and disgusting that someone be a “fan” of Russia. Even without gender, the “fanboy” or “fangirl” term as it is being used here is dripping with condescension and disdain. The fact that they specifically added “girl” to it while having no indication of the actual gender of the person they were referring to is not just some innocent “oh hey let’s be equitable this might be someone who has feminine gender expression.” They added the “girl” on as a way to add more disparagement to the term they were already using as an insult. That is misogyny.
This isn’t hard, and the presence of misogyny should be obvious to anyone, even if they might be hard pressed to pick it apart and explain why. That you are going into this pedantic redditor debate pervert defense of it really brings your own motive into question.
The fact that they specifically added “girl” to it while having no indication of the actual gender of the person they were referring to is not just some innocent “oh hey let’s be equitable this might be someone who has feminine gender expression.”
It’s already widely used as a genderless term though - that was the whole point of my initial comment. Both interpretations were correct - it is a gendered noun, and it is a term that describes behavior regardless of gender.
debate pervert
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the term - isn’t this exactly what you’re doing right now?
It’s already widely used as a genderless term though
It’s not, though. You will never hear someone calling a man a “fangirl” unless the person saying it is a misogynist trying to insult that man’s masculinity. Adding a “-girl” or “-boy” onto any word is not “gender neutral” it is literally the opposite of gender neutral and saying that it is is ridiculous at least and possibly disingenuous.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the term - isn’t this exactly what you’re doing right now?
I think you are misunderstanding how human interaction works. No, it is not what I am doing, responding to someone who is using excessive pedantry (and still reaching false conclusions) necessitates addressing the pedantic points they used, but doing so is very obviously not also being pedantic. You really do seem to have a strange difficulty with recognizing how things that may have aspects that are in parity with each other are not therefore intrinsically the exact same thing as each other.
Girl is one of the most gendered terms, and calling someone who’s gender is unclear or otherwise not explicitly feminine a “fangirl” draws on misogynistic perceptions.
Either way, I don’t think it’s unknown that OP is pro-Russian, but I don’t see how that translates to being pro-war.
Maybe it’s a language thing, I don’t wanna discuss this because this is not what my comment was about.
By repeating Russian propaganda and lies that was used to justify attacking Ukraine, bombing hospitals and killing civilians.
What lies are being repeated? It’s definitely pro-Russian, but what is the lie?
I don’t think it is. Not the meme anyway. u/jankforlife may be pro-Russian (which is the correct stance for any anti-imperialist to take) and post other memes that are pro-Russian, but this particular meme is neutral as to whether Russia is a positive or negative force in geopolitics. It’s just pointing out the double standard of western liberals. But yes, you are of course correct that there are no “lies” being repeated here, this piefed bootlicker is just throwing a tantrum about seeing a meme where Russia isn’t explicitly being compared to Mordor and Putin to Voldemort, and it’s breaking their propaganda-pickled brain.
Fair enough!
For example that Ukraine is a Nazi state
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/24/world/europe/ukraine-melnyk-nationalist-collaborator.html
It’s not a lie, it’s an easily demonstrable fact. But the meme that you are whining and pissing yourself about says nothing about the fact that Ukraine is a Nazi state (which it is). All it says is that there is a common double standard to what many people (presumably western liberals) think what constitutes a “war crime” vs an “unfortunate but necessary” act depending on whether that act was performed by one of the US’s enemies or by the US and its ally regimes. You are just looking for something to throw a fit about.
That isn’t a lie though, since 2014 Ukraine has been governed by Banderites that uphold Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera.
You’re both right - it is a gendered noun, it is a genderless verb. The line has become blurred between the two distinctions, and ‘fangirl’ is often used as a genderless noun as well. “I am a [thing] fangirl” is a common phrasing online irrespective of gender.
And the term itself relies on misogyny. Just because a word can be used in a certain fashion does not mean it should be.
How, exactly? It’s a gendered term, but it’s not inherently derogatory based on gender. The term “fanboy” is the gender flipped equivalent.
Using fangirl on someone of unspecified gender is clearly gendering the behavior attempted to be called out. One could just as easily call someone a sycophant without resorting to needlessly gendered terms.
While I agree that in an ideal world we wouldn’t feel the need to use gendered terms (in english I should say, lest we pull an imperialism on gendered languages), the use of a gendered term really isn’t in-of-itself misogyny.
Hey, look, a real world example demonstrating why your worldview is not up to the task of dealing with reality!
Patriarchy is a huge ancient oppressive system. One of the domains of patriarchy is language, specifically embedding the gender binary and misogyny into both denotative and connotative meaning. Hysterical literally means “crazy the way a woman is crazy”.
Addressing the oppression of patriarchy and its effects on language by working to move beyond the gendered binary and the misogyny is not in any way, shape, or form imperialism or analogous to imperialism.
When you undo the harm of oppression, that it not doing an oppression. When you fight back against imperialists, that is not imperialism. When you work against racism, that is not racism. And when you fight against patriarchy, it’s not feminine patriarchy.
I simply didn’t want to force my cultural interpretations of gender onto the language of an entirely separate culture. That’s a discussion that they should have without my interference - I have no place to comment on, for example, the push for the adoption of the term “latinx” (doubly so as this discussion is entirely about the use of a gendered term in english and interpretations drawn from one culture aren’t universally applicable)
No, seriously, working to degender the languages of European patriarchal white Christian supremacist genocidal nations is not “doing an imperialism” on them. Yes, you can impose on them. No it’s not oppression.
This isn’t use of a gendered term in a vacuum. Sure, “Fangirl” is not necessarily a bad thing to call someone in appropriate context, but as always, context makes all the difference. In the context here, the person who used the term is clearly using “fan-x” to be a negative thing. Completely removing gender from the equation, they clearly think it is both wrong and disgusting that someone be a “fan” of Russia. Even without gender, the “fanboy” or “fangirl” term as it is being used here is dripping with condescension and disdain. The fact that they specifically added “girl” to it while having no indication of the actual gender of the person they were referring to is not just some innocent “oh hey let’s be equitable this might be someone who has feminine gender expression.” They added the “girl” on as a way to add more disparagement to the term they were already using as an insult. That is misogyny.
This isn’t hard, and the presence of misogyny should be obvious to anyone, even if they might be hard pressed to pick it apart and explain why. That you are going into this pedantic redditor debate pervert defense of it really brings your own motive into question.
It’s already widely used as a genderless term though - that was the whole point of my initial comment. Both interpretations were correct - it is a gendered noun, and it is a term that describes behavior regardless of gender.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the term - isn’t this exactly what you’re doing right now?
It’s not, though. You will never hear someone calling a man a “fangirl” unless the person saying it is a misogynist trying to insult that man’s masculinity. Adding a “-girl” or “-boy” onto any word is not “gender neutral” it is literally the opposite of gender neutral and saying that it is is ridiculous at least and possibly disingenuous.
I think you are misunderstanding how human interaction works. No, it is not what I am doing, responding to someone who is using excessive pedantry (and still reaching false conclusions) necessitates addressing the pedantic points they used, but doing so is very obviously not also being pedantic. You really do seem to have a strange difficulty with recognizing how things that may have aspects that are in parity with each other are not therefore intrinsically the exact same thing as each other.
You can use genderless terms like sycophant.
No argument there.