Stunning rebuke to president as lawmakers vote 215-208 for measure forcing him to seek congressional approval
The US House of Representatives delivered a stunning rebuke to Donald Trump over his war on Iran on Wednesday, as representatives backed a move to force him to seek approval from Congress or withdraw US forces.
The House voted 215 to 208 in favor of the war powers resolution, as four Republicans voted with Democrats.
Wednesday’s vote came nearly two weeks after House Republicans cancelled an earlier scheduled vote, on the grounds that they lacked the votes to defeat it.
Stunning is a funny word when it took like 3 or more attempts to finally pass it
Eighteen. This year. fwiw.
Stunning that they even have a strongly worded response
Thank you Rashida Tlaib
Surprise! It doesn’t actually matter at all 🎉
The vote’s impact is symbolic, with the margin well short of the two-thirds majority needed to override a presidential veto.
“Democrats never get anything done!”
*House Democrats finally pass a war powers bill on the nineteenth try*
“It doesn’t even matter!”
Yes, in fact, I do require an actual resolution to have actually passed both houses that actually has a chance of constraining the use of executive power before I will have considered the legislature to have done something. My greatest concern is not that the Ds aren’t standing up to the Rs; my concern is that the legislative branch is letting the executive do whatever it wants.
My greatest concern is not that the Ds aren’t standing up to the Rs
Ah one of those bourgie liberal fascist Democrat apologist types eh? You probably even vote! Pfft.
/s
What do your propose the Senate and House Democrats do without a majority?
They won’t answer this
I will answer this! My argument is not about Democrats and Republicans, my argument is about the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches of the US government. My point is that the showdown over the ongoing military operation in Iran is a disagreement primarily between the Congress, which has not authorized a military action, and the White House, which is pursuing a “military action” which is manifestly a war that requires authorization from Congress. My frustration is not that the Democrats have succumbed to the Republicans, but that the Legislative branch has cowed to the Executive. I am not arguing with you about which of the two parties is the “good one,” I am telling you that the important part of this showdown is whether the United States has three branches of government or one. I want congressional republicans to be backstabbing, power grabbing, self interested assholes and make a naked play for political power against the most unpopular man in the world on his weakest issue because the Congress cannot possibly be organized enough to be as evil as Stephen Miller.
That is not an answer for the question
So, either the Democrats will need to compromise somewhere to entice Republicans to bend, appeal to the masses to try shaming their oppositional cohorts into action, or something else.
I think that CW is trying to say that the Republicans need to recognize that their own existence in legislation has been called into question. To expand on what they are not discussing, this president is making policy and declaring war. These are the essential functions of our legislative branch.
I keep telling you we need a big goal line stop from the defense, and you keep asking me what I want our running back to do about it. The fact that running backs aren’t going to make big defensive tackles doesn’t reduce the need for the defense to make a play.
(edit for our non-American readership: “I keep telling you we need to pump crosses into the box to look for our target striker, and you keep asking me what I want our center backs to do about it. The fact that center backs don’t get into the attack doesn’t reduce the need for us to score a goal”)
This story is not about House or Senate Democrats. This story is about four House Republicans who broke ranks with the White House. Focus up.
The meme you responded to was about Democrats and how when they do the right thing, they’re still criticized for things out of their control, like not getting getting a 2/3 vote on war resolutions as the minority party.
The meme was a response to my top-level comment on a Guardian article. I am chaffing because I am not, and will not, discuss this in terms of what House Democrats should do, I am continuing to frame this as what the Congress must do, and the meme mischaracterizes my position.
I agree with your position on Congress. I disagree with the scope of your statement in context.
Id say him vetoing it should be bad for him politically, but with him, that’s definitely not true.
Saying vetoing this bill would be bad for Trump is like claiming he couldn’t survive appearing in a tan suit
Wednesday’s vote came nearly two weeks after House Republicans cancelled an earlier scheduled vote, on the grounds that they lacked the votes to defeat it.
Now they have assurances that either the senate won’t pass it or trump will simply veto it.
