• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    7 hours ago

    Many of them have fascist movements either in power or coming to power, and all rely on imperialism and neocolonialism.

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      6 hours ago

      How do you explain that many reuropean right-wing parties are pro-Russia?

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        Russia tends to be critically supported by the left, while being admired by the far-right for having hard power. The far-right like Russia for being a capitalist power that cracks down on the LGBTQ community, while the left critically supports it in undermining imperialism and neocolonialism.

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      7 hours ago

      “Many of them”

      “Either in power or coming to power”

      “Rely on”

      The claims have changed so much it seems that you also disagree with the meme at this point.

      If you felt the need to add all those qualifiers (not wrong, btw), then it’s clear that you wouldn’t describe the EU as an “imperialist nazi state” either.

      And that’s before we ask other things, eg why Ukraine and not Russia?

      Because it’s dumb propaganda

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        6 hours ago

        I would not communicate OP’s broader point the same way, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say I disagree with it. The EU is a coaliton of right-wing imperialist states, this is true. Russia isn’t imperialist, while Ukraine is a tool of imperialism much like Israel.

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          The EU is a coaliton of right-wing imperialist states, this is true.

          Not really all right wing but perhaps compared to your politics. Or mine tbh

          Russia isn’t imperialist

          I’m confused about this. I checked to see if I had the right definition, just in case, and this is wikipedia’s:

          imperialism is the maintaining and extending of power over foreign nations, particularly through expansionism, employing both hard power and soft power.

          How does this not perfectly describe what Russia is doing in Ukraine?

          Do you have an alternative definition you’re working with?

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            All EU member states are capitalist and depend on imperialism and neocolonialism. In that sense, they are all right wing, left wing countries would be like China and Cuba.

            As for imperialism, the first part of the definition is vague enough that it applies to countries like Burkina Faso kicking France out of Africa, while the second would make the Statesian North annexing the confederacy “imperialism.” Wikipedia affirmatively takes the definition of imperialism that makes it as vague as possible, reducing it to a policy preference rather than a materialist system with definite causes and necessary conclusions.

            Imperialism in the modern era, as course of fact, is a stage in capitalist development. When markets are fully saturated domestically, capital expands outward. Once industrial and bank capital grow, they merge and dominate the entire economy, resulting in the dominance of finance capital in the economy and an export of capital, rather than commodities. This is how the west plunders the world in the modern era, and what Russia cannot do.

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              I see where you’re coming from now. I think if you define imperialism in that way, it makes sense that you would consider all of those countries imperialist.

              When markets are fully saturated domestically, capital expands outward. Once industrial and bank capital grow, they merge and dominate the entire economy, resulting in the dominance of finance capital in the economy …

              But this whole description seems weird to me. Are there any powerful capitalist countries that could avoid this?

              And I still don’t think Russia could possibly escape this definition. They have BRICS and are a major oil trader. They physically are trying to occupy another country right now. They use Russian language and state media to influence Eastern European countries in particular.

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                Capitalist countries cannot avoid becoming imperialist as they grow, but the pond is finite, with a gang of imperialist countries at the top. This forces the rest of the world into contention with imperialism. As for Russia, trade and BRICS are not imperialism. Russia has an absolutely paltry sum of finance capital, and runs largely on production and export of commodities.

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              Imperialism in the modern era, as course of fact, is a stage in capitalist development. When markets are fully saturated domestically, capital expands outward. Once industrial and bank capital grow, they merge and dominate the entire economy, resulting in the dominance of finance capital in the economy and an export of capital, rather than commodities. This is how the west plunders the world in the modern era, and what Russia cannot do.

              So…what do you call BRICS, then? Just because the Imperialism is currently less influential than its competition, doesn’t stop it from being Imperialism.

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                  Simply stating something as if it were a fact, doesn’t make it true. BRICS perfectly fits the description you gave. It’s literally an alternative market, centered around the countries typically excluded by the “Western market”. By its own definition, it was formed to compete with Western markets for global economic influence, and to expand the market capabilities of its member states.

                  That fits every criteria of your limited definition of imperialism.

                  Russia also fits the standard definition of an imperialist state due to their hostile military occupations of neighboring countries, as well as their aggressive influence campaigns targeting foreign governments around the world. They literally check every single box.

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                    BRICS is an international trade organization, not a means by which a tiny cluster of countries that are dominated by finance capital gain money by exporting capital and expropriate wealth from the global south. This is why BRICS is made up of largely developing economies. It absolutely does not fit my definition in the slightest.

                    Secondly, war is not imperialism. War can be done to cement it or aid it, but it is not itself imperialism. Otherwise Burkina Faso kicking France out would be “imperialism” against France.