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    4 hours ago

    Class is not supernatural either. But as i said in another message, the corrupting effect of power is well-studied by psychology.

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      Yeah that’s why train drivers derail on purpose all the time, the raw power they hold over peoples lives just corrodes their immortal soul. They’re just like cops when you think about it.

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        1 hour ago

        I still wait for one of you to answer to the message were I post actual scientific papers. It would be more constructive than designing strawmen.

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      Class isn’t supernatural, correct. It’s a material relation. Capitalists are interested as a class in retaining private ownership, workers are materially interested in collectivizing production. This isn’t a corruptive force, but pure class interest. As for power supernaturally corrupting, no, it is not well-studied by psychology.

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          People have definitely tried to prove it, but it doesn’t work that way. People act in their self-interest, but what’s dominant is class outlook and how that fits into the mode of production. False positives.

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            It’s an interesting theory. But without a study in an other mode of production, it’s wishful thinking… and to hope for a new mode of production to change how the brain works, and in such a deep level, is not a very credible one. Moreover, it’s not relevant for communist organization within capitalism.

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              to hope for a new mode of production to change how the brain works, and in such a deep level, is not a very credible one.

              Bro we have done this multiple times throughout history what the fuck are you talking about

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              How is class an “interesting theory?” Class analysis is the basis of historical materialism, which is agreed upon by modern historiography to be one of the most effective ways of analyzing history. It’s fundamentally correct, the idea that capitalists don’t seek their own interest as capitalists is just basic logic.

              Further, class analysis is critical for communist organization, as identifying which classes are revolutionary and which ones are not informs how you organize and what is to be done once taking power and establishing socialism.

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                2 hours ago

                How is class an “interesting theory?”

                That’s not what I said. I said that the fact that a new mode of production will change the way the practice of power change the the biological functioning of the brain is an interesting theory. Of course classes exist.

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                  “Power” does not change the biological functioning of the brain. You are confusing class interest for “power” as a supernatural corruptive force. The mode of production changes what classes exist, and which ones are in power, which changes the way we live and think.

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                    You can repeat “supernatural” as much as you want, I’m still speaking about scientific facts. Different experiences shape the functioning of the brain differently, there’s nothing magical with that.