• Archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    Why would Russia be demanding conditions for a ceasefire, if Ukraine already lost the war? Lol!

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      3 days ago

      What do you think losing a war looks like? The big HQ building blows up and all the guys vanish?

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        3 days ago

        I would assume it means at least one side gives up and stops fighting. Typically when both sides are still going, the war isn’t over yet.

        What do you think losing a war looks like?

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          There are multiple scenarios were wars are ended in which the end is not displayed in a flamboyant way. Simply because the Western mouth pieces are not telling you exactly those words doesn’t change the reality on the ground. Ukraine has been low on men, supplies, it’s been losing the economic battle (you westerners pillaged the land for profit already) and clearly cannot keep a war of attrition. If it does not end today it will end tomorrow, but Russia will win.

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            2 days ago

            Lol! No. Unless you’re using some pretty creative mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise, then it’s pretty obvious that if both sides are still fighting, the war hasn’t ended.

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              2 days ago

              there are storied examples of germans continuing to fight the war after germany had already surrendered in ww2; no group is a monolith when it comes to intentions and actions.

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                2 days ago

                So, are you just intentionally missing the point that “Germany had already surrendered”, in your own explanation?

                Has Ukraine surrendered?

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                    2 days ago

                    So…has Ukraine surrendered? Or, do you just not understand how an “analogy” is supposed to work?

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          What do you think losing a war looks like?

          It looks like snatching terrified 50 year olds off the street to man the skeleton crews of positions alongside robots. It looks like six-digit desertions.

          Nazi Germany, for example (but I repeat myself), is a war that everyone agrees they lost long before they stopped fighting.

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            2 days ago

            It also looks like tricking foreigners to fight for you, since you are running out of locals to send to the front lines. Or brainwashing children to think war is fun, in the hopes they’ll volunteer as soon as they’re old enough.

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              You are describing “hiring mercenaries” and “glorifying the military”, two things that I personally find problematic but that are not at all indicative of losing a war.

              running out of locals to send to the front lines

              They have not even activated a draft yet

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                LMFAO! What are you talking about? Russia has been conscripting soldiers for almost the entire war. smh.

                And you can hardly call deceiving potential immigrants into coming to Russia, only to make fighting in the war a condition of their citizenship, once they get there…“hiring mercenaries”.

                How’s that kool-aid taste, man?

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      how could russia possibly demand anything unless they have won the damn war?

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        Lol! Then I guess both sides have been winning since the beginning. Because they’ve both been making demands, the entire time. Russia’s been demanding that Ukraine surrender…and Ukraine’s been demanding that Russia leave their country.

        Neither side has agreed to do any of that, though…so the war is still going. That’s kind of how it works.