You think people who run their own stores produce everything they sell also? Don’t bother answering I am putting you on the block list because I am fully convinced nothing that is posted by your account will ever be worth reading.
There are goods and services as things being produced. The items they sell may not be produced by them but the value they produce is services. It’s not just goods that are produced. And I also know small business which produce some items where owner/owners work on their own without any other workers. And you are basically saying fuck off to the people doing labor and also own production.
Sure block me but i’m not posting this expecting to change your mind, but for others reading this
You really are demonstrating a complete lack of familiarity with the topic while trying to defend small business owners. Small businesses that hire employees are exploiting workers and stealing the surplus value from their labor just like giant corporations do, full stop. You might have a leg to stand on if you were referring exclusively to co-ops but even those are rife with issues under capitalism (I wrote some about co-ops in another comment) and can only be said to have control over the tiniest fraction of the means of production. Socialism is the proletariat as a class owning the means of production and small business owners are by definition part of the capitalist class - this is about society as a whole, not 3 or 4 guys getting together to buy some machines (owning a lil slice of the MoP) they then use to exploit the people hired to work those machines. Even if those 3 or 4 guys chip in with the work, it’s irrelevant. That’s literally the problem, not the solution.
All of this is just scratching the surface on correcting the misunderstandings you’ve displayed. I don’t have the time or inclination to go into all those corrections and I think it’s safe to say the same is true of OP. If u/Cowbee was in this thread, he would probably be willing to go into it for you but I’m not going to bug him with a ping. However I couldn’t stop you from DMing him if you were genuinely interested in learning. Or you can just check out his reading list which I would encourage any lurking readers, since you mentioned them, to do as well.
Small businesses that hire employees are exploiting workers and stealing the surplus value from their labor just like giant corporations do, full stop.
I never said anything about them hiring employees. I did state the worker itself owning the business. The OP then went forward to saying the products they sell are made from some other corporation that hired employees which i don’t see is relevant.
I did not say anytjing against socialism or communism, but just saying that there are business fully owned by the worker themselves. And they do that for their living. Without society as a whole changing from capitalism, how do you expect people to live? Get a job? Under another exploitative corporation? Or build your own business in which you yourself work?
But sure, overthrow the system if you can. But till then, It’s far better to support small business owned by the workers itself
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You think people who run their own stores produce everything they sell also? Don’t bother answering I am putting you on the block list because I am fully convinced nothing that is posted by your account will ever be worth reading.
There are goods and services as things being produced. The items they sell may not be produced by them but the value they produce is services. It’s not just goods that are produced. And I also know small business which produce some items where owner/owners work on their own without any other workers. And you are basically saying fuck off to the people doing labor and also own production.
Sure block me but i’m not posting this expecting to change your mind, but for others reading this
You really are demonstrating a complete lack of familiarity with the topic while trying to defend small business owners. Small businesses that hire employees are exploiting workers and stealing the surplus value from their labor just like giant corporations do, full stop. You might have a leg to stand on if you were referring exclusively to co-ops but even those are rife with issues under capitalism (I wrote some about co-ops in another comment) and can only be said to have control over the tiniest fraction of the means of production. Socialism is the proletariat as a class owning the means of production and small business owners are by definition part of the capitalist class - this is about society as a whole, not 3 or 4 guys getting together to buy some machines (owning a lil slice of the MoP) they then use to exploit the people hired to work those machines. Even if those 3 or 4 guys chip in with the work, it’s irrelevant. That’s literally the problem, not the solution.
All of this is just scratching the surface on correcting the misunderstandings you’ve displayed. I don’t have the time or inclination to go into all those corrections and I think it’s safe to say the same is true of OP. If u/Cowbee was in this thread, he would probably be willing to go into it for you but I’m not going to bug him with a ping. However I couldn’t stop you from DMing him if you were genuinely interested in learning. Or you can just check out his reading list which I would encourage any lurking readers, since you mentioned them, to do as well.
I never said anything about them hiring employees. I did state the worker itself owning the business. The OP then went forward to saying the products they sell are made from some other corporation that hired employees which i don’t see is relevant.
I did not say anytjing against socialism or communism, but just saying that there are business fully owned by the worker themselves. And they do that for their living. Without society as a whole changing from capitalism, how do you expect people to live? Get a job? Under another exploitative corporation? Or build your own business in which you yourself work?
But sure, overthrow the system if you can. But till then, It’s far better to support small business owned by the workers itself