• Gates9@sh.itjust.works
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    3 days ago

    Is this controversial? Don’t people in Taiwan consider themselves Chinese? Republic of China?

      • marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
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        3 days ago

        You’re referring to native Taiwanese, which the current inhabitants of Taiwan largely wiped out during their most recent colonization attempt

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          3 days ago

          I am referring to the opinion of the current inhabitants of Taiwan as expressed in opinion polls.

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            3 days ago

            Ah then, no, they consider themselves Chinese. That’s the entire point. Specifically they are both Zhōnghuá and exceedingly few people contest that (hence the referendum trying to rename them from Chinese Taipei failing MISERABLY).

            Some polls, especially from CIA-Backed NED Organizations show ridiculous support, but actual democracy in Chinese Taipei shows little to no support for a ‘Taiwan’ identity. Especially given THEY LITERALLY MASSACRED THE TAIWANESE PEOPLE AND STOLE THEIR LAND.

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              3 days ago

              Lol, what are you even talking about? Since 20 years the opinion polls are clear: The majority of the people living in Taiwan consider themselves Taiwanese. There is a somewhat large minority that considers themselves both Taiwanese and Chinese, but when asked to choose between the two the people of Taiwan overwhelmingly (like 90%) prefer to call themselves Taiwanese.

              Edit: but it looks like I am replying to a fresh Tankie sockpuppet account, so I guess no need to bother 🤦

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                2 days ago

                They’re just referring to the martial law and white terror period that existed on the island for almost 4 decades. But it’s been almost as long since than it lasted.

                It’s a pretty important period for Taiwan, but interestingly enough this shows that the people of Taiwan today are less inclined to maintain that stance despite that history.

                However I wager that’s likely due to a rejection of association with the PRC than an identification with being Taiwanese alone.

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                  3 days ago

                  People can have one opinion and still prefer to vote against it given the likely consequence of the imperialist neighbor attacking them 🤷

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                    3 days ago

                    There really isn’t a definition of Imperialism that fits China. It does explicitly fit Taiwan, given ROC’s history.

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              2 days ago

              I don’t know what you are getting at, of the people who come over from China and Taiwan that I talk to, no one believes that the two are one “nation” with different opinions on who is the authority. They may believe there’s not a distinct cultural identity but none think the “no, there’s only one China and onlywe are the real China” is a thing in practice, just a political formality.

              The ones from China do say they wouldn’t push their luck expressing that publicly, and one went so far as to borrow a computer to log into without any association with them because they were paranoid about using their laptop issued to them with the Chinese employer preload. He wanted to read some Wikipedia the way an American sees it while he was over on business.

              Tangentially, another one from China was super excited to try to get someone to get him a gun to shoot. We did manage to hook him up with a gun range.

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      3 days ago

      They don’t consider themselves Chinese. But they have Chinese roots, with the vast majority of people having Chinese ancestry.