The critique isn’t that canadians are basically USians its that the US appropriates the name of the entire continent(s) “America” for it’s own country name.
You just heard it from a Canadian, but also the US has not appropriated the name of entire continents for itself. The continent it shares with Canada and Mexico is “North America” and “North American” still applies to people from those countries. The US hasn’t taken anything away from anyone else in this naming scheme, and nobody who actually lives here will get confused by these terms and who they apply to.
The “critique” is a non-issue pushed mainly by uppity Europeans that nobody in this side of the pond cares about at all.
Geographically speaking, no. If you are basing that on his continent of origin as opposed to country of origin, Canada uses the 7-continent model meaning North America and South American are considered two distinct continents. This means that somebody born in Canada is, for all geographical intents and purposes, North American, or Canadian. Just “American” doesn’t make sense in this context.
That’s like saying southern europeans are not european.
No it’s not like that at all, there’s no continent called “Southern Europe”.
Canada is in the american continent.
No it’s not. It’s in the North American continent. Canada uses the 7 continent model, which includes the North American and South American continents.
In Canada there is no continent just called “America”. So a Canadian calling themselves “American” makes no sense. They would either be Canadian referring to their country of origin, or North American referring to their continent of origin.
This is why the treaty that historically allowed free trade between Canada, the US, and Mexico was called NAFTA, or North American Free Trade Agreement, and not AFTA.
Having a “North America” implies there’s an “America”, it doesn’t come out of the blue. You didn’t start with a North America, you start with America and then divide it between north and south.
The singular America that you’re referring to that in fact did not come out of the blue was a man by the name of Amerigo Vespucci. He is credited with discovering what we now know as the two distinct continents of North America and South America, together referred to as “The Americas” (Plural) which were named after him.
If there’s no such thing as an “America”, then why have a northern america?
Because Amerigo “discovered” two continents. One is further north, the other south. Hence, North America, and South America. You’re also confusing terms. There’s a difference between “North America” and “Northern America”. Similar to how there is a big difference between “North Ireland” and “Northern Ireland”. These are not interchangeable terms.
Why is everyone reacting like I’m claiming Canada is part of the US?
They’re reacting like you’re claiming that the astronaut is “American”, which you are, and he isn’t. He’s North American, or Canadian. If you just say “American” then you’re referring to somebody from the United States, which he isn’t. You’re acting like the word “North” in “North American” can be dropped in this context without changing the meaning but you’re incorrect.
Because how can you not be a non-American if America doesn’t exist? Good day Sir!
Because “American” is the recognized demonym for the citizens of the country United States of America. It refers to the citizens of that country, not the continent it’s in.
I generally disagree with everything else you’re saying but something that hasn’t been called out is that The Indies was never used to refer to India, the country. In current day, there’s the West Indies, which are annoyingly next to North America. In the past, East Indies or ‘The Indies’ referred to the greater Indian peninsula, but not the country itself, and not West Indies. By using this example, you’ve highlighted a flaw in your argument that the term ‘America’ has to encapsulate North America and South America, as ‘The Indies’ doesn’t even encapsulate West Indies.
So as a non-non American, who have clearly never lived in North or South America, who obviously doesn’t understand how language works within the dozens of countries who exist within those two continents, think you have any authority to tell the people like me who actually live here how we are supposed to identify?
Your opinion is neither warranted nor necessary. It takes zero effort to keep your incorrect mouth shut.
For geographical purposes… Re-reading your comment. Ok i’ll give it to you, thats even something i might have said myself. It doesnt deserve all the downvotes. Thing is with Trumps 51st state push, canadians have become vert sensitives with being called américains.
For geographical purposes he’s still wrong. If you’re Canadian you were taught the 7-continent model in school growing up. There is no “American” continent.
That fella is using a primitive and culturally reductive unified America continent model which does not apply to the people who live here.
I think people forget that the United States has no official demonym, and that America, like Great Britain, is a place not a country.
Personally, I’m a fan of adopting Station, since we all seem to have decided that the United States is a nation and not a federal system.
As an aside and fun fact: my favorite demonym is Solarian, which encompasses all people from the Solar System. The Solar System, sometimes confusingly, is named like the Moon where all moons are moons, but ours is the Moon. (Solarian is sometimes confused with Terran, but that is specific to the Earth-Moon system. All Terrans are Solarian, but not all Solarians are Terran.)
The first woman (Christina Koch), non-white person (Victor Glover), and non-American (Jeremy Hansen) in deep space. And Reid Wiseman.
Wiseman is the oldest to travel out of LEO.
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Hi.
Canadian here.
Fuck you. We’re not American. Never call us American.
The critique isn’t that canadians are basically USians its that the US appropriates the name of the entire continent(s) “America” for it’s own country name.
And nobody on this continent gives a shit.
You just heard it from a Canadian, but also the US has not appropriated the name of entire continents for itself. The continent it shares with Canada and Mexico is “North America” and “North American” still applies to people from those countries. The US hasn’t taken anything away from anyone else in this naming scheme, and nobody who actually lives here will get confused by these terms and who they apply to.
The “critique” is a non-issue pushed mainly by uppity Europeans that nobody in this side of the pond cares about at all.
fwiw I’ve seen it most often from Latin Americans.
Geographically speaking, no. If you are basing that on his continent of origin as opposed to country of origin, Canada uses the 7-continent model meaning North America and South American are considered two distinct continents. This means that somebody born in Canada is, for all geographical intents and purposes, North American, or Canadian. Just “American” doesn’t make sense in this context.
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No it’s not like that at all, there’s no continent called “Southern Europe”.
No it’s not. It’s in the North American continent. Canada uses the 7 continent model, which includes the North American and South American continents.
In Canada there is no continent just called “America”. So a Canadian calling themselves “American” makes no sense. They would either be Canadian referring to their country of origin, or North American referring to their continent of origin.
This is why the treaty that historically allowed free trade between Canada, the US, and Mexico was called NAFTA, or North American Free Trade Agreement, and not AFTA.
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The singular America that you’re referring to that in fact did not come out of the blue was a man by the name of Amerigo Vespucci. He is credited with discovering what we now know as the two distinct continents of North America and South America, together referred to as “The Americas” (Plural) which were named after him.
Because Amerigo “discovered” two continents. One is further north, the other south. Hence, North America, and South America. You’re also confusing terms. There’s a difference between “North America” and “Northern America”. Similar to how there is a big difference between “North Ireland” and “Northern Ireland”. These are not interchangeable terms.
They’re reacting like you’re claiming that the astronaut is “American”, which you are, and he isn’t. He’s North American, or Canadian. If you just say “American” then you’re referring to somebody from the United States, which he isn’t. You’re acting like the word “North” in “North American” can be dropped in this context without changing the meaning but you’re incorrect.
Because “American” is the recognized demonym for the citizens of the country United States of America. It refers to the citizens of that country, not the continent it’s in.
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I generally disagree with everything else you’re saying but something that hasn’t been called out is that The Indies was never used to refer to India, the country. In current day, there’s the West Indies, which are annoyingly next to North America. In the past, East Indies or ‘The Indies’ referred to the greater Indian peninsula, but not the country itself, and not West Indies. By using this example, you’ve highlighted a flaw in your argument that the term ‘America’ has to encapsulate North America and South America, as ‘The Indies’ doesn’t even encapsulate West Indies.
This is a very funny demonstration of your lack understanding of the English language.
No, no it’s not lol. There are 23 countries and foreign territories in North America. North-American would refer to all of them.
So as a non-non American, who have clearly never lived in North or South America, who obviously doesn’t understand how language works within the dozens of countries who exist within those two continents, think you have any authority to tell the people like me who actually live here how we are supposed to identify?
Your opinion is neither warranted nor necessary. It takes zero effort to keep your incorrect mouth shut.
Je sais pas de quoi tu parles, c’est tout juste si je suis Canadien, aucune crisse de chance que je sois américain.
mdr
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For geographical purposes… Re-reading your comment. Ok i’ll give it to you, thats even something i might have said myself. It doesnt deserve all the downvotes. Thing is with Trumps 51st state push, canadians have become vert sensitives with being called américains.
For geographical purposes he’s still wrong. If you’re Canadian you were taught the 7-continent model in school growing up. There is no “American” continent.
That fella is using a primitive and culturally reductive unified America continent model which does not apply to the people who live here.
The fact you think “America” is a continent says everything anyone needs to know about your knowledge of geography.
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That fact you think you can tell someone else how their culture should work makes you the biggest piece of shit.
My culture and how I experience me and our people own our culture isn’t a debate. It’s reality.
You don’t get to define how my country’s people identify ourselves.
Politely, go fuck yourself.
The culture of the people who live in a place takes precedence over the culture of people across an ocean lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
Nah. Get fucked, bud.
I think people forget that the United States has no official demonym, and that America, like Great Britain, is a place not a country.
Personally, I’m a fan of adopting Station, since we all seem to have decided that the United States is a nation and not a federal system.
As an aside and fun fact: my favorite demonym is Solarian, which encompasses all people from the Solar System. The Solar System, sometimes confusingly, is named like the Moon where all moons are moons, but ours is the Moon. (Solarian is sometimes confused with Terran, but that is specific to the Earth-Moon system. All Terrans are Solarian, but not all Solarians are Terran.)
i like statesian. this is Station
in South America we just call them gringos, is clear and easy
Could Gringoland work?