Democrats spent the last year asking where their Joe Rogan was. Hasan Piker is one of the few left-wing figures with the audience they covet — but the party is deeply hostile to the spontaneity and independence that make figures like him appealing.

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    I’m still trying to have a good-faith discussion here, so I’m just going to ignore the top half of your comment.

    You are legit just saying, “Oh, well it was a different time back then…” Think about that. Hmmm, how many people on the wrong side of history have said that about their actions. Think about that.

    NO I AM NOT!

    I am explaining why the different circumstances at that time were – or at least, should’ve been – relevant to your decision-making.

    What makes you think I wanted Trump to win? I didn’t vote for him.

    You refused to vote for the only person who could beat him.

    Just because your candidate lost, don’t get mad at me.

    Harris was not “my candidate,” and I’m mad at you because your delusional fuck-up helped destroy my children’s future! This was not ‘just another election’ where the other team won. American democracy itself is systematically being dismantled. It is an existential threat that America will not ever recover from if it’s not stopped soon (and even then, it’s a long shot). I am seriously considering fleeing the country because of people like you! Thousands are dead in Palestine, Ukraine, Venezuela, Iran, and the US itself because people like you were asked to do harm reduction and refused!

    (Of course you’re gonna say something like “it’s not my fault, it’s MAGA’s fault.” And sure, I’m even madder at the fascists themselves, obviously. But I’m bothering to argue with you about it instead of them because, unlike them, I think people like you are still capable of seeing the error of your ways.)

    Thanks for commenting. You providing a great example of how mad people were about going against the tide in those days.

    Because ‘the tide’ is literally what wins elections, and so going against it is how you lose!

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      and I’m mad at you because your delusional fuck-up helped destroy my children’s future!

      How so? I already told you that if every single third party voter had voted for Harris, she would still have lost. That’s how large the margin of loss was for her. The party that you suppport picked her. And you still support them. That’s on you, guy. Not me. As long as you continue to support them and the “No matter who, vote blue” mindset, what reason do they have to change? You are enabling them.

      I am seriously considering fleeing the country because of people like you!

      Good luck. I think you’ll find out that lots of countries are even more strict than we are when it comes to immigration policies. To find a country that would accept you and that’s better or even as good as the US is gonna be tough. It’s slim pickings out there.

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        How so?

        Discouraging people from voting for Harris didn’t just result in them voting third-party, it also resulted in them not voting at all.

        As long as you continue to support them and the “No matter who, vote blue” mindset, what reason do they have to change?

        They change by having people with better ideology win the primaries. That requires participating in the system, not picking up your ball and going home like a petulant child!

        Good luck… To find a country that would accept you and that’s better or even as good as the US is gonna be tough.

        I am painfully aware. Of course, my standards will lower and thus the selection will expand as the US continues to be destroyed. So, thanks, I guess.

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          Discouraging people from voting for Harris didn’t just result in them voting third-party, it also resulted in them not voting at all.

          No one on Lemmy was discouraged or persuaded to vote for anyone. You don’t think Lemmy had their minds made up? lolololol come on now, be real. We all know how Lemmy swings.

          They change by having people with better ideology win the primaries.

          Yeah? and now did that work out for you. You all lost against Trump, TWICE! How is that even possible? How did you all fumble the ball so badly?! Twice. Twice!!! lololololol

          I am painfully aware. Of course, my standards will lower and thus the selection will expand as the US continues to be destroyed.

          Yeah? Any good choices you are looking at? I’m in Alaska, so it’s practically a different country up here anyway. Ain’t nowhere I’d rather be in the world. Except maybe for Norway, but they don’t let people stay very easily.

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            Yeah? Any good choices you are looking at? I’m in Alaska, so it’s practically a different country up here anyway. Ain’t nowhere I’d rather be in the world. Except maybe for Norway, but they don’t let people stay very easily.

            I’ve been studying French for a while now. The original plan was to buy a sailboat and sail around the world – hence the French, because France still owns a bunch of tropical islands, like Tahiti and Réunion – but the pandemic fucked up my finances so now I’m less confident about being able to afford one big enough for my family to live aboard long-term. So, not sure, really. At this point, I might be thinking in terms of “any reasonably-developed country that’d take me” and continue to live a ‘normal’ urban lifestyle.

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              and continue to live a ‘normal’ urban lifestyle.

              See, that’s a path I just can’t get on. As crazy as I may seem tho, my gf is more more hardcore. She’d be fine without indoor plumbing, but fuck that, I want my fucking hot showers! I’m pretty tough, but she’s tougher. She doesn’t even go online and wouldn’t even check out Lemmy when I was trying to explain it to her. lol

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                You don’t seem crazy for your lifestyle; you seem crazy for your political naivete.

                I actually ‘get’ the whole prepper/homesteading thing, BTW. For me, that lifestyle would be a very close third after “urban/walkable” and “itinerant boat-person,” and come way ahead of “typical car-dependent suburbanite.”