Democrats spent the last year asking where their Joe Rogan was. Hasan Piker is one of the few left-wing figures with the audience they covet — but the party is deeply hostile to the spontaneity and independence that make figures like him appealing.
Democrats spent the last year asking where their Joe Rogan was. Hasan Piker is one of the few left-wing figures with the audience they covet — but the party is deeply hostile to the spontaneity and independence that make figures like him appealing.
That sounds eerily like Reddit at the same time. I was absolutely lambasted for speaking up about Harris’ messaging on Israel and such.
Lemmy may not be quite as different from Reddit as we want to claim.
Definitely not. In fact, we gotta realize that a lot of people are here because they were too extreme for Reddit. So we are like the nerdier, meaner, more anti-social reddit.
I still like the idea of Lemmy, but the attitude of a lot of people here is turning me off. So many users seem to think censorship and exclusion are perfectly fine, as long as it’s the ‘correct’ side doing it. They don’t realize they’re acting exactly like the Republicans they claim to hate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
Again, being called out on your bullshit isn’t the same thing as being “censored.” If you’re feeling “excluded,” well, that’s what happens when you’re wrong and refuse to see it.
Me saying that I support third parties because I was unhappy with both democrat and republican parties, isn’t being “called out” on my “bullshit.” It was fucking censorship.
I was called a nazi and a racist and a Trumper for saying that. None of it was true. How is that being called out?
Do you realize that what you said about Harris in your comments, would have been ban-worthy back in 2024 just before the election? Do you think that’s ok?!
Because of the way the US electoral system works, supporting a third party is equivalent to supporting the candidate you wanted least. You were helping Trump, in factual and objective reality, whether you admit it or not. And helping Trump means those labels fit.
And having your feelings hurt because somebody accurately described what you did still isn’t censorship, no matter how much you want to pretend it to be.
LOL. I did say those things back then, and yet I’m still here. QED.
Which you perpetuate by yelling at people, and trying to discourage them from vote third party. If every single person that was fed up, balled up and voted third party, then shit would change. But nah, you keep screaming at them and confusing them.
Not me. You don’t confuse me or scare me. :)
I doubt you said those things in Oct and Nov of 2024. But hey if ya did, and managed to not get banned, good for ya. But lots of people were heavily brigaded and banned for saying stuff like that in October 2024.
And if my grandma had wheels she’d be a bicycle.
Expecting a third party to win a US presidential election was straight-up delusional. Even when it’s Theodore fucking Roosevelt it still doesn’t happen! And that was someone with the name-recognition and supporter base of having already been President before!!!
The only way a third party could become viable is if voting reform happened first, by replacing one of the two major parties from within and getting it passed.
I discourage voting third party in the presidential general election! because it is objectively fucking moronic.
Refusing to be dissuaded from being objectively wrong isn’t something to brag about.
Fine, if we’re going to stop believing each other, then I think you were lying about being doxxed and have a gang-stalking delusion. Happy now?
Another motte-and-bailey fallacy, BTW.
Well yeah, because you added you little disclaimer. Imagine if you didn’t have that disclaimer, you’d have had a much different reaction. lol
I proudly voted third party then, and I’ll proudly vote third party again if democrats keep making the same mistakes.
(BTW, I edited my comment to delete that line because I posted it before completing the thought. But thank you for quoting it, because now I have a chance to address it in a less unwieldy wall of text.)
By “little disclaimer,” do you mean the “but vote for her anyway because the alternative was worse” part? No shit I wrote that every time, because that was the main part of my point! It wasn’t some sly tactic to appease the mods; it was the important thing I was trying to convey to people like you!
Anyway, what I meant to continue with is this: I don’t think I was alone in having that attitude. In fact, I claim that many, if not most, of the people you characterize as full-throated Harris supporters trying to censor you were actually very reluctantly Harris-voting progressives and leftists desperately trying to get you to stop making the worst possible outcome happen.