President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine said that President Trump “still chooses a strategy of putting more pressure on the Ukrainian side.”
A US security guarantee isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.
You can ask Canadians how reliable a Trump stamped piece of paper is.
Ukraine doesn’t even need to ask. They literally had nukes until they gave them up in 1996 because USA said they’d protect them (and Russia said they wouldn’t invade).
Not true. They gave assurances and not guarantees and some of the Ukrainians knew what that meant when they were made to accept it. There are interesting Wikipedia articles about it.
What did I say that’s not true? All you did was replace the word “said” with “assurances”. Nowhere did I use the term guarantee.
said they’d protect them
They help them but they don’t protect.
How does that semantical nitpick detract from my point about Ukraine knowing that they can’t rely on the USA?
Some reddit ass shit.
Why would the US insist on using the unusual word? Because it allows them to keep their word. There are other reasons for not trusting their word but not this contract.
They didn’t even say that. Unless there’s a different agreement, but the Budapest Memorandum never mentions anything about security guarantees or protection.
Doesn’t change the fact that Trump is a traitorous piece of shit, that the US is an unreliable ally or that helping Ukraine is the right thing to do for many reasons but let’s at least ground things in reality. Unless there’s another agreement I’m not aware of, I’m no history expert but I know I was surprised when I actually read the text of the agreement because I hear this talking point a lot.
Given the Trump administration’s abject contempt for international law and treating allies with respect and fairness, I don’t think the distinction holds much water here. Bottom line: Don’t trust the U.S. Period.
Given the Trump administration
That was long time before that administration. Trump is not a big change in deeds, just in words. The Iraq war was already a very big contempt for international law, as is the decade long regime change in Cuba.
Right. All the more reason not to trust the U.S. now.
That might be precisely the realization that made Zelensky speak like that. He’s not jeopardizing anything at this point. America is not helping currently, and what comes tomorrow doesn’t depend on the promises made on a peace of paper.
USA can’t help or protect Ukraine much. They fired all their stuff at Iran while Iran showed showed the world how the USA can’t deal with cheap drones well. Ukraine has better tech now for these kinds of war.
The Budapest memorandum has entered the fucking chat
Zelensky Says U.S. Is Conditioning Security Guarantees on Surrender of Donbas
Problem with this is, how do you enforce it? If Ukraine does choose to vacate its positions in the Donbas, Russia can simply capture them, claim they saw a Neo-Nazi if Kiev, then resume the war in a better position. The Russians army doesn’t seem to want to leave on their side either. It’s a catch-22.
That’s the best part, with someone you wouldn’t give sharp scissors to in the white house but loves to gargle Putin’s balls, it’s never enforced. Win win for people that should never have a win.
I’m sure Zelebsky is threading the needle of diplomacy to placate Trump’s nutsack and not lose territory to Russia.
Really this is a no win scenario I hope the best for all Ukrainians, from a random Canadian who doesn’t ever think wars (or military escapedes, whatever term you prefer for this or Iran) should be there just to beat up someone smaller or get more territory.
So…the US is negotiating for Russia.
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Nukes seem to be the only security guarantee these days.
Having many drones ready to strike economically important targets is the next best thing.
Ukraine and North Korea would agree.
So would Israel
It’s very Trumpinesque how these things are decided without actually consulting Ukraine.
What security guarantees can the US give? The last ones about giving up nuclear weapons were trashed. Just watching Demented Donny screw the world for whim says that whatever the agreement, it’s worth nothing.
A bird in your hand is worth more than two in the bush (and worth a trillion birds in tramp’s hands)…just sayin’.
