• Alvaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Let’s be honest, no government is trusted and truthful.

    Some are obviously worse than others, but to trust any of them blindly is stupid.

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      [murdering thousands of people] guys do you realize your leaders are as bad as mine? can you be serious? i’m trying to elect White Obama 3

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    Not Liberals, simply stupid and ignorant people which believe everything what mainstream media say. With a cultured and informed people, the USA would be a full democracy and Trump in jail since years.

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      I can understand not trusting the US Empire, Israel, etc, but why not trust the PRC? I’d rather trust a socialist country with a functional democratic governance over capitalist countries.

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      Thomas Jefferson raped a 15 year old girl and enslaved her offspring. Scream this at every American you meet. Now that’s proper propaganda

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    Or even if it’s American but lefist, because if it indicts the antifascist bonafides of the Democratic party then it must be dastardly Russian lies

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    Lemmy right wing. Not liberals.

    Liberals are anti trump. Only right wing people support trump.

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        Not in the U.S they aren’t. They are progressives. Not necessarily anti capitalist but they are fully social progressives.

        Please explain how a social progressive is the same as a neo Nazi.

        Definition

        Noun

        a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare. “she dissented from the decision, joined by the court’s liberals”

        a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise

        Now libertarian is a different story.

        But you can all Google the definition of both because there seems to be a lot of people who are promoting that liberals are right wingers. And that’s literally the opposite of what they are.

        Yes I understand the middle has shifted. But that’s normal and has always happened throughout history.

        Liberals are not conservative. They are against misogyny, bigotry,racism.

        Which is what the right stands for.

        Their opinion on capitalism does not make them Nazis.

        Liberals are Democrat voters. Not Republicans.

        I mean the word “libtard” is the rights slur against liberals.

        Obviously they don’t like liberals. Because they don’t share ideologies.

        For fucks sake. Must be psyop to try to convince everyone liberals are right wing.

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          Liberals are not conservative. They are against misogyny, bigotry,racism.

          So right-wing Female supremacists, Trans supremacists and Afro-supremacists.
          That’s your problem there.

          If all of them are complacent with rampant problems in liberal democracies like:

          • Campaign fraud
          • Worker exploitation
          • Imperialist propaganda
          • Bribes
          • Blackmail
          • Inside trading
          • Usury
          • Private gambling institutions
          • Landlords
          • Consumer good poisoning
          • Monopolized rent consumer goods

          Then THEY’RE NOT LEFT-WING!

          And the US hasn’t had a left-wing party, not even a social democratic one, since the 1990s,
          as social democratic parties only seem to thrive if there’s a socialist nation to look up to
          and the Soviet Union fell apart as it lacked resources (coal) to do anything against the US petrodollar scheme,
          That’s why Bill Clinton had been called a Repubic-lite during his reign
          and Obama never delivered on his “Hope & Change”.

          The only semi-left-wing ideas I see coming from US contemporaries “progressives”,
          is that they’re pro-green, because that at least will help people have the resources to go left in the future.

          The right stands for a ruling merchant class and a gatekeeping judicial class.
          The judicial class has noble ideas for itself as a ruling class,
          but they need campaign money in order to be elected as a ruler,
          which the merchant class has in spades, but want their favorable laws for them to be implemented in return.
          And thus the merchant class becomes the ruling class and the judicial class their gatekeepers.
          That’s what the right-wing stands for, unless they’re even more regressive
          and long for a kings and priests to rule over them.

          Centrists, social democratic wing like FDR, try to curb the power of the merchant class,
          but a true left wing will replace it with a ruling engineering class and gatekeeping scholar class that will replace liberal democracy with a people’s democracy that can focus on creating a classless society,
          because only a people’s democracy can tackle the issue of campaign fraud,
          which is systemic in a liberal democracy.
          And this systemic problem becomes larger and larger the more a society automates
          as it causes the power of merchants to be more and more concentrated.

          The US democratic party is only slowly returning to become a social democratic party
          with Zohran Mamdami firmly in the democratic socialist side.

          But looking from the outside, the US is like the Star Control II Ur-Quan alien race, where the US democratic party plays the role of the Kzer-za that wants the rest of the world/galaxy enslaved and the US republican party playing the role of the bloodthirsty Kohr-Ah that wants the rest of the world dead. The only thing missing in the US is a civil war between the two.

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          Liberalism is right-wing because it supports capitalism. It isn’t the only right-wing ideology, but anyone calling themselves “progressive” that opposes moving on from capitalism to socialism is in fact holding progress back from where it needs to go.

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          Liberalism and conservatism are both offshoots of economic liberalism, favoring the rights of private property owners. Read a book

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          Arguably, all parties within a liberal democracy are liberal in ideology. Republicans are just the right wing of that liberal system, Dems are to the left of the repubs but both still liberal. In Australia the leading conservative party is quite literally called The Liberal Party.

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          If we were to look at basic leftist theory they always regard liberals as non left. The argument is that liberals just protect the liberties of the priviledged class, typically the wealth owning class. They treat the workers like wage slaves, throwing them a bone to keep them quiet, but when historically being forced to choose between having the workers attain same level of liberties, the liberals always chose to surpress that, break unions or even multiple times directly allow fascist overtake.

          you are right that in us this is presented as opposition, but any serious leftist will categorically deny that as absurd. One good indicator is for example how the genocide in gaza is bipartizan or even the war in iran. They protect same interests. They do not serve the voter.