Virginia lawmakers on Monday passed a proposal that would require schools, if they teach students about the violent attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, to relay the facts of what actually happened, without including misinformation that the 2020 presidential election was stolen or that the attack was just a peaceful protest.
US soldiers deserve to die. How stupid/evil do you have to be to volunteer for this criminal military?
They don’t deserve that. They joined up as poor people needing to eat or, before, people hoping to do right by a country that deserved it back then.
Right now, though, they’re playing a bit of roulette as, overall, their chance of killing themselves later due to PTSD is far greater than the chance of them getting killed in-country now.
It may come as a surprise to you, but as recently as 18 months ago the US military was in a calm pattern of training and maintenance and wasn’t doing the level of terrible things for terrible people that they are required to do now or face court-martial.
Also, enlistment durations are longer than 18 months. But that’s just math.
Might be surprising, but the US military killed over one million innocent civilians in its unjust wars of the early 2000s. Anyone who joins up now is either signing up to kill people, or signing up to “serve” because they are ignorant about what our nation actually does. Why would I give a break to a poor US soldier that I wouldn’t give to a Russian, IDF, Iranian, or Nazi SS? We are all responsible for our own personal actions. The country and world would be better off if the poor killed their rich masters rather than each other for their masters. I’ll not forgive their willingness to be puppets.
If the choice is “be poor” and “sign up to be on call to murder brown people”, surely we can agree that “be poor” is the better choice.
I don’t know that I can fully blame every soldier for that. There’s plenty of kids who have no idea what they’re joining. There’s plenty of them they get disillusioned by their service, too. Do they all deserve to die?
Like, the military does massive propaganda campaigns to lure in young and impressionable teenagers. And some of the recruits are just people that need a place to live, sleep, and eat. I can understand why someone would be against all of them, but I don’t think I can. There’s a lot of extremely poor people that have few other prospects, and the way the US pushes success = status really makes it hard for me to think that the brainwashed deserve death.
You wanna stop the military? Give everyone a decent standard of living, and that’ll do it.
They deserve to die as much as any Russian orc who volunteers to go into Ukraine. Not all are evil, some are just ignorant/stupid, but all d code to willingly join an organization that has been killing innocents for as long as any of us have been alive. The US military might frame itself as a defender of freedom, but everyone paying attention knows that’s never been the case. We’re all victims of our situation, but at a certain point we also all have to be responsible for our actions.
How old are you? Like you’re not wrong, but you’re talking like someone who still thinks everything is much more simple than it actually is. No offense.
I’m an old millennial. I don’t make excuses for my own behavior, so I won’t make any for others. Not taking personal responsibility for our own actions is how we get to the fucked up world we have now. Everyone wants to make excuses for why people do evil acts. US service member is no better than one from any other nation. I’ll hold them to the same standard as I would anyone else. Russian soldiers are responsible for the orders they follow, same as IDF, same as the SS, and same as US soldiers. Just following orders isn’t an excuse, and “I kill people for 3 hots, a cot, and the GI bill” isn’t a valid excuse either.
Okay fair points. Are you religious? Sounds like “Taking Responsibility” and “Receiving Punishment” are inseparable from your perspective.
IMO we wouldn’t have these problems if human beings weren’t fundamentally capable of being manipulated. As such I do have reservations about treating every single soldier like they’re a war criminal.
Lastly, I think one thing to feel no remorse and entirely another to say everyone categorically deserves what happens to them.
Unless they signed up recently they couldn’t have expected this.
And they are mostly just poor people with no other option to get out of poverty, it’s not like they have to agree morally with what’s happening of bow to a shrine of trump daily.
So because they are poor, they eagerly sign up to kill other poor people on behalf of rich people? How about instead they do something productive and kill the rich people who order them to kill other poor people? Why are we so averse to persona responsibility? Were poor Nazi soldiers blameless? Are IDF soldiers? Russians in Ukraine? We need to stop with one standard for others and then a lower one for our own.
Nah. Chill bro. Theyre not the enemy. They needed socialism and suffer through horrible treatment to get it.
Some of them have no other way of getting a college education, housing help, a steady paycheck. Some of the young men just need to get away from their social circles and break the cycle of poverty for their family’s. I met a girl while I was there, she was 28 from a shithole town in Mississippi, she said the day before she left for basic, her sister was shot in her front yard. She had a kid and didn’t know what else to do.
And theyre not all killers blood thirsty assholes, and really the jobs offered (with a ton of benefits) are really really neat. Satellite communications, mechanics. hell even logistic jobs are cool af and people who are dumber than shit can get that job with only like a 28 on their ASVAB.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. What difference does it make if someone grew up poor with whether they push the button or not that kills 100 children? Like, sure, the person who gave the order is a piece of shit, but the “good” poor soldier who pushes the button still kills 100 kids. That’s not a good person in my book.
Meh. You sound young and energetic. You can hate them if you want but like I’m telling you, i know a lot of them, and they’re not the problem. Just dumb kids doing what they’re told.
Like that expression, the fish rots from the head first.