Which studies? A quick search doesn’t seem to confirm that at all. From checking some of those studies, there seems to be a weak/low certainty correlation of lower meat consumption with lower cancer risks, a correlation (with geographical differences) of meat consumption with being overweight, but also other factors like smoking and low physical activity which really call into question whether other studies took that into account, and also a correlation between higher meat consumption and lower risk for depression (which I would also call into question given meat consumption’s correlation with high socioeconomic status).
All I can get from those metastudies is a big nothing burger of “maybe”'s in either direction.
Vegans had a 40% higher risk of bowel cancer when compared with meat eaters.
Regarding vegetarians and cancer yes, but most studies show that a moderate intake of meat is beneficial to your OVERALL health. And this study does NOT show that less meat the better.
Also a lot of studies including this one, show that some nutrients are hard to obtain as a vegan, so you need supplements to stay healthy. Especially if you are Vegan.
I don’t think you read the article, but just had a knee jerk reaction to the headline.
I’m not the person you responded to. But I feel personally attacked by your last sentence. How dare you. That is the way of the internet comment section. What kind of world would we live in if people actually read the article?
Yes I am aware that this is a cultural thing among many people. And responses by people that read the article can seem confusing.
Admittedly I do it myself sometimes, but in this case that regards peoples health, I think a clarification was in place. 😋
Interesting how they call out vitamin B and calcium. Ovo/lactose vegetarians have just as much dairy as meat eaters and probably eat even more calcium-rich foods like kale and other greens. Most dairy substitutes are calcium fortified as well.
Yes the calcium part is outright weird? Regarding B vitamin I think it’s some specific B vitamins like B12, definitely not all of them.
I think there may have been some journalistic misunderstanding, because it is mentioned in context with Vegans, while the article also seems to lump the 2 together at times. Which is a problem IMO, because there’s a huge difference between Vegetarian that drink milk and eat fish and eggs, and a Vegan that eat zero animal products.
I agree with everything you said, except for one point. Vegetarians by definition do not eat fish, pescatarian is likely the word you are looking for as they eat everything you listed with the inclusion of fish.
It’s a common misunderstanding, not exactly sure where it stems from. When I was a vegetarian many years ago it wouldn’t be uncommon for people to offer me fish.
Here it means less than 150g per day. But there is no minimum recommendation AFAIK, probably because most people eat too much.
So optimal amount is a bit murky. It probably also varies depending of what types of meat you eat. It is generally understood that chicken is better for your health than red meat.
The bad news about glyphosate is it’s apparently on everything.
It’s at the point where it may be confounding experiments that haven’t controlled for its presence.
That is just one of many, the second most used herbicide, atrazine, is in all the municipal water systems too, testing is done in spring usually when the water table is high, but in the fall when the water table is lower it returns higher values of pollutants. But atrazine is a potent endocrine disruptor, one of many out there.
I’m not an expert in the field, reading it wouldn’t help me discern much. That’s why we typically rely on recommendations from expert bodies, who review the literature and understand it.
At this point we’re beating a dead horseradish. Pretty much every study says the less meat, the healthier
Which studies? A quick search doesn’t seem to confirm that at all. From checking some of those studies, there seems to be a weak/low certainty correlation of lower meat consumption with lower cancer risks, a correlation (with geographical differences) of meat consumption with being overweight, but also other factors like smoking and low physical activity which really call into question whether other studies took that into account, and also a correlation between higher meat consumption and lower risk for depression (which I would also call into question given meat consumption’s correlation with high socioeconomic status).
All I can get from those metastudies is a big nothing burger of “maybe”'s in either direction.
Regarding vegetarians and cancer yes, but most studies show that a moderate intake of meat is beneficial to your OVERALL health. And this study does NOT show that less meat the better.
Also a lot of studies including this one, show that some nutrients are hard to obtain as a vegan, so you need supplements to stay healthy. Especially if you are Vegan.
I don’t think you read the article, but just had a knee jerk reaction to the headline.
I’m not the person you responded to. But I feel personally attacked by your last sentence. How dare you. That is the way of the internet comment section. What kind of world would we live in if people actually read the article?
Yes I am aware that this is a cultural thing among many people. And responses by people that read the article can seem confusing.
Admittedly I do it myself sometimes, but in this case that regards peoples health, I think a clarification was in place. 😋
Interesting how they call out vitamin B and calcium. Ovo/lactose vegetarians have just as much dairy as meat eaters and probably eat even more calcium-rich foods like kale and other greens. Most dairy substitutes are calcium fortified as well.
Yes the calcium part is outright weird? Regarding B vitamin I think it’s some specific B vitamins like B12, definitely not all of them.
I think there may have been some journalistic misunderstanding, because it is mentioned in context with Vegans, while the article also seems to lump the 2 together at times. Which is a problem IMO, because there’s a huge difference between Vegetarian that drink milk and eat fish and eggs, and a Vegan that eat zero animal products.
I agree with everything you said, except for one point. Vegetarians by definition do not eat fish, pescatarian is likely the word you are looking for as they eat everything you listed with the inclusion of fish.
Ah ok I thought fish was included, because I’ve known some who call themselves vegetarians who eat fish.
It’s a common misunderstanding, not exactly sure where it stems from. When I was a vegetarian many years ago it wouldn’t be uncommon for people to offer me fish.
Do we know what moderate means?
Here it means less than 150g per day. But there is no minimum recommendation AFAIK, probably because most people eat too much.
So optimal amount is a bit murky. It probably also varies depending of what types of meat you eat. It is generally understood that chicken is better for your health than red meat.
Except it’s not meat itself, but contaminants in the meat.
“It’s not the cigarette I smoke, it’s all the bad chemicals in the cigarette” Big brain time over here
If they put a shitload of glyphosate on corn, it’s not corn that gives you leukemia, it’s the glyphosate, ya smarmy axe grinder.
The bad news about glyphosate is it’s apparently on everything. It’s at the point where it may be confounding experiments that haven’t controlled for its presence.
That is just one of many, the second most used herbicide, atrazine, is in all the municipal water systems too, testing is done in spring usually when the water table is high, but in the fall when the water table is lower it returns higher values of pollutants. But atrazine is a potent endocrine disruptor, one of many out there.
And how many of the studies did you actually read?
My guess it’s zero
This topic got you all triggered, huh?
I’m not an expert in the field, reading it wouldn’t help me discern much. That’s why we typically rely on recommendations from expert bodies, who review the literature and understand it.
“I’m not an expert in the field but I know that pretty much every study says the less meat, the healthier”.
So how do you know if you haven’t read the studies and are not an expert?
News reporting