Last year the U.S. experienced something that hasn’t definitively occurred since the Great Depression: More people moved out than moved in. The Trump administration has hailed the exodus—negative net migration—as the fulfillment of its promise to ramp up deportations and restrict new visas. Beneath the stormy optics of that immigration crackdown, however, lies a less-noticed reversal: America’s own citizens are leaving in record numbers, replanting themselves and their families in lands they find more affordable and safe.

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    If you’re living in LA California and you turn to your neighbors, which went 64/31 for Harris,

    TBH Cali should be a its own country. That said, assuming the same ~63% participation, that’s more like 40% who could have voted did vote for Harris. If we’re strictly talking about the character of the voters in a district, of course they’d be among the least shit. And in their case, its at least slightly more excusable given they’re in a locked in blue state anyways. Still bad though, there are still down ticket and local elections that would matter.

    Maybe Harris didn’t deserve to win, if these are the kinds of people who claimed to support her policies.

    Depending on your perspective on democracy, the “type of people” who vote doesn’t matter. You “deserve” to win when you get the most votes, she did not. And at least in first past the post, the victorious side’s voters and non-voters at least deserve the differential between the top two candidates. Do you not at least agree with that?

    That said, your particular example is not particularly relatable. Unfortunately, I live in a wretched red state and have most of my life and extremely unfortunately I’ve spent time around the backwater ruroids that I’ve been desperate to escape. I’ve only just recently escaped to a small city. In fact, at bare minimum if I can’t afford at all to leave the country by 2032, I hope to move to a nearby blue state urban area. We’ll see.

    That said, while I might be sad about my struggle to escape, I absolutely cannot begrudge anyone with the means to do so doing it regardless of where they live in the US.

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      TBH Cali should be a its own country.

      Listen, I’m also a big fan of balkanizing the US in order to limit its global power. But lets go further. I want nothing less than Six Independent Californias.

      Unfortunately, I live in a wretched red state and have most of my life and extremely unfortunately I’ve spent time around the backwater ruroids that I’ve been desperate to escape.

      I mean, more power to you. But the “I don’t owe anyone anything” mentality gets you right back to the MAGA Libertarianism that’s destroying the country.

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        Listen, I’m also a big fan of balkanizing the US in order to limit its global power.

        That’s probably because you just like a different super power, no? Do you think balkanizing the US would be good for the average person in America? I earnestly ask neutrally. Like I said after that election I’m pretty ambivalent about the well being of most Americans now, but I’m interested if you think squeezing the average person with such an action is justified? Or do you actually think it’d be beneficial?

        I mean, more power to you. But the “I don’t owe anyone anything” mentality gets you right back to the MAGA Libertarianism that’s destroying the country.

        “MAGA Libertarianism” Lumping all of your enemies together over simplifies things for a propaganda metanarrative. That said, I want to point out that the MAGA and Libertarians are generally people I’m getting away from primarily by moving out of the rural hellscape.

        Further, I don’t care about the country (and I mean beyond the government) because it doesn’t care about me and it never will, its made that clear.