Several niche, left-leaning gun advocacy groups said that since the killing of Alex Pretti by federal agents in Minneapolis, they can hardly keep up with the surging demand for firearms training.
With Donald Trump sending armed federal agents into communities around the country, even more once gun-shy liberals and leftists are considering getting armed.
And while Americans tend to think of gun owners as leaning more Republican and male, already more women, gay people and people of color have taken up arms in recent years, particularly after 2020.
Letting liberals into leftist spaces halts progress. We end up needing to fight with them more than whatever it is we are protesting. All the stuff liberals call leftist infighting is us fending off liberals trying to invade our spaces and control the situation. We do NOT want the same things. Liberals want reform, which does not work.
And so guns are only for the hardcore progressives, or any conservative? Is that what’s happening here?
No, they have their own gun clubs they can join
Ok, well good luck with your care bear revolution, buddy.
Liberals know nothing about revolution, only colonization, which is what you are advocating for.
Oh, do you need to do that?
Take your tribalism and shove it.
For every person who wants to help that you sneer at online (because I know you couldn’t face them in reality) I will be working in the real world to help bring real people over to start working for better outcomes, secure in the knowledge that even if I can’t change the whole world and make everything better, I can reduce harm here and now and continue to push the needle towards a better world. I’ve been at it for years, and seeing cynical little shits on the internet whine and cry about seeing other people nurturing unity only makes me more committed.
You can just stay in that basement and whinge while real people do real things.
Liberals have claimed for decades they are harm reduction while somehow harm keeps growing. Keep deluding yourself. Liberals contribute to harm by keeping the wheels of facism greased up. They will accept milquetoast concessions by their party to expand ICE with reforms,. In the meantime nothing changes.
If you believe in something, and want to fight for it, your first priority should be trying to convince other people it’s a good idea. Your attitude does more harm than good; you’re incapable of thinking people can change their mind, because you’re incapable of changing yours.
It makes more sense to get people to like your idea than pushing them away, unless you think you’re going to do it with force.
And alienating people means you wouldn’t even be able to do that.
I’ve seen incels do this online for decades now. They’re not really looking for better outcomes, they want to feel that “normies” hate them so much that it validates all the hate and cynicism they feel. You can’t feel bad about not doing the actual hard things in life to organize and be liked by others if everyone else hates you and thinks you’re a monster, right?
It’s creating an environment of alienation so they can justify not wanting to change or help anyone.
Plus it keeps the US vs THEM mentality always at a forefront. Great for retention, bad for conversion.
I’m not alienating anyone, i would be willing to work with their organizations, but not to invite them into leftist spaces so they can neutralize our movements.
You quite literally just said that you don’t alienate anyone while describing how you alienate them.
Also, your shit attitude definitely alienates people. You’re the equivalent of what the Westboro Baptist Church does to Christianity, i.e. you’re a loud hateful prick that actively pushes people away from a group they want people to join by being an asshole.
For the sake of your own revolution, shut up.
They can form their own coalitions. Demanding membership in an organization you are not part of is infantile and always results in the organization failing. There was a reason The Black Panthers didn’t let white people or any other races in. But they worked with Latino groups, with Young Lords, with Young Patriots, etc but those groups fought specific causes.
The difference is that while you can’t change your race, you can change your political ideology, and if you want people to believe in your political ideology you have to actually let people into your little club. And not be a massive prick.
Or, what, you think the revolution is going to work with the seven people you personally agree with?
The idea is to meet them where they are at, not where I’m at