The question has been framed in the streets: is a government that impoverishes healthcare and nutrition, flouts the law, enriches its officials, imprisons babies, and kills its citizens worth the money it collects, much less the respect and obedience it demands?
Democrats have nothing to lose by shutting down the government to force the majority party to respond to these questions and the one that looms over all: what, if any, is the political and moral future of the US?



In the American Civil War the North had the advantage in Navy, population, wealth, and industrial power.
Now those advantages in population and industrial capacity are flipped. In the scenario you project the south could devolve into infighting and hollow out, but a single charismatic figure could unite them, and that would pose a terrible threat to the NEUSA and the Cali Republic. Have you read Rurtledove’s American Front?
The south would collapse so fast lol what
I have not read that, no. I have heard of the series before though.
Does the South really have those things flipped? Does the South really have more of a population that the East and West coasts combined? More land area sure, but aren’t they currently at the economic mercy of the East and West coasts?
The red states are net takers compared to federal. Taxes paid. In this hypothetical civil conflict all sides are materially worse off but the south would be worst by a margin. Material deprivation by the general populace can end a war, but it doesn’t always.
See Russia in Ukraine for an example.
Where the lines are matters, whether Ohio and Michigan are in the NEUS or the south makes a big difference in population and industry.
It really depends on what type of war this hypothetical civil war would be, and who would be included in each side. North Dakota has nukes, is in the North, but also is very conservative. Opposite scenario for New Mexico
Realistically, a conventional war isn’t possible these days. In digital warfare, tech hubs like NYC, DC, Cali, and Washington become the most important locations