And we have seen instances where the ice nazis murder first and fabricate an excuse later.
If they think someone in an apartment has a gun, they aren’t going to run away. They are going to just shoot. What makes ice back off is when the community stands up and makes it clear that they are going to have to murder a LOT of people to get what they want… and that works for now.
Which is why fuckface is working so hard to get the us military to “support” ice. They are actually trained for this and will just chuck some grenades into that apartment.
Just to add on. This is nothing new. This is why cops/swat do so many “no knock raids”. The idea is “Well, this person might be armed so we are just going to sneak up, kick down the door, flashbang every crib we can find, and shoot anyone who resists”.
And that works because even if you “train a lot” and carry your glock in your waistband 24/7, shock and awe tactics disable brains at all “training levels”.
That is my position. It would be cool if peaceful protest succeeds at reforming the nation, but I don’t think it would happen. In such a situation, having the resources and accepting the possibility of violence would go a long way towards saving the lives of innocents.
If it turns out peace works, I would gladly end my gun range subscription and abandon social media. I want to spend my time with anime girls, not the bullshit that Trump and his kind are flinging around.
No, I am saying that being armed and predisposed to peace go together. It gives people the option to fight if it becomes necessary. The Black Panthers are the way.
All the gun nuts leap at the idea that they can grab a rifle and fix the world. And they shit on the actual legacy of The Black Panthers by distilling them down to that.
The vast majority of what made/makes The Black Panthers effective is that they focus so much on community outreach. Far more time is spent getting to know the neighbors and families than sending bullets downrange. All because the goal is to NOT fire a shot. Because the shitbags understand… if you shoot Jamal then you are going to be attacked by multiple city blocks worth of people who can personally talk about how Jamal helped make sure their kids got home safe or literally just gave them a chance to talk through their pains and worries
Instead, all the gun nuts are leaping at the chance to justify buying a new optic or buying a third ar-15. And… there is definitely a lot of “Wow. Even the Libertarians think we should abolish ICE” going on.
Like maybe a year ago Americans taking pot shots at ICE might have spooked them back into their basements. But now ICE has galvanized a culture of general oppression. They’re just itching to Tiananmen an entire peaceful protest.
Eh. I think they would still shit themselves if they started wondering what those whizzing and popping noises were.
But it would basically work “once”. Then they would just assume any mass of protesters were black kids with toy trains and unload with their ar-15s. And every single “raid” would become a no knock where they just sneak up and kick down the door and flashbang and shoot at any kids they see while “getting their man”. Because now they are up against an army of terrorists.
We’ve seen already instances where ICE has backed down when there was some actual resistance
And we have seen instances where the ice nazis murder first and fabricate an excuse later.
If they think someone in an apartment has a gun, they aren’t going to run away. They are going to just shoot. What makes ice back off is when the community stands up and makes it clear that they are going to have to murder a LOT of people to get what they want… and that works for now.
Which is why fuckface is working so hard to get the us military to “support” ice. They are actually trained for this and will just chuck some grenades into that apartment.
Just to add on. This is nothing new. This is why cops/swat do so many “no knock raids”. The idea is “Well, this person might be armed so we are just going to sneak up, kick down the door, flashbang every crib we can find, and shoot anyone who resists”.
And that works because even if you “train a lot” and carry your glock in your waistband 24/7, shock and awe tactics disable brains at all “training levels”.
You’re entire argument is they’re killing us already, we really don’t need to give them another reason…
You prepare now, when you can still buy arms, not after when you have had that right and other rights taken away.
That is my position. It would be cool if peaceful protest succeeds at reforming the nation, but I don’t think it would happen. In such a situation, having the resources and accepting the possibility of violence would go a long way towards saving the lives of innocents.
If it turns out peace works, I would gladly end my gun range subscription and abandon social media. I want to spend my time with anime girls, not the bullshit that Trump and his kind are flinging around.
But you’re suggesting that we… don’t arm ourselves, and that we should just stand by and let them kill us…make up your mind
No, I am saying that being armed and predisposed to peace go together. It gives people the option to fight if it becomes necessary. The Black Panthers are the way.
Exactly.
All the gun nuts leap at the idea that they can grab a rifle and fix the world. And they shit on the actual legacy of The Black Panthers by distilling them down to that.
The vast majority of what made/makes The Black Panthers effective is that they focus so much on community outreach. Far more time is spent getting to know the neighbors and families than sending bullets downrange. All because the goal is to NOT fire a shot. Because the shitbags understand… if you shoot Jamal then you are going to be attacked by multiple city blocks worth of people who can personally talk about how Jamal helped make sure their kids got home safe or literally just gave them a chance to talk through their pains and worries
Instead, all the gun nuts are leaping at the chance to justify buying a new optic or buying a third ar-15. And… there is definitely a lot of “Wow. Even the Libertarians think we should abolish ICE” going on.
Like maybe a year ago Americans taking pot shots at ICE might have spooked them back into their basements. But now ICE has galvanized a culture of general oppression. They’re just itching to Tiananmen an entire peaceful protest.
Eh. I think they would still shit themselves if they started wondering what those whizzing and popping noises were.
But it would basically work “once”. Then they would just assume any mass of protesters were black kids with toy trains and unload with their ar-15s. And every single “raid” would become a no knock where they just sneak up and kick down the door and flashbang and shoot at any kids they see while “getting their man”. Because now they are up against an army of terrorists.