“Democrats are putting Illegal Alien Criminals over Taxpaying, Law-Abiding Citizens, and they have created dangerous circumstances for EVERYONE involved,” he wrote. “Tragically, two American Citizens have lost their lives as a result of this Democrat ensued chaos.”

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    Minnesota needs to grow a pair.

    Say that any incident involving violence and ICE will result in a mandatory 24 hour detainment of involved officers for a basic initial investigation by the state. 24 hours is enough to get videos of the event and a general idea of what happened to either hold someone longer or determine whether it was at least minimally justified.

    Police can already detain anyone for 24 hours essentially without cause. Fucking use it.

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      Its just a question of accountability.

      If they need to wear masks, that’s a pretty good indicator they intend to engage in unacceptable and / or unlawful behaviour.

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        You can’t just execute people because you want to either. Yet here we are.

        Fuck ICE.

        Let the courts decide while the murderer waits in jail.

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          Sure. But states have no legal authority to hold a federal officer, if they did whatever case they were trying for would be exponentially more difficult because they ignored the legal process.

          I’m not saying in agree, I’m not arguing it’s right, what I am saying is even if the legal system worked as ideally as possible under current law it would be illegal and unwise to hold a federal officer.

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            Being a federal officer doesn’t mean your exempt from state laws. Murder is still a state crime.

            So don’t detain them, arrest them for it. Have them argue they should maintain their immunity with that video evidence in front of a judge.

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              No they can’t, it was in the line of duty. Off duty maybe but federal officers have supremacy in most matters and they have to be tried federally.

              Yes that would have to be done after a warrant and after a waiver of immunity to allow state prosecution.

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        You absolutely can. Nowhere does it say federal officials are immune to state laws. They normally don’t because of mutual respect, but if a federal officer breaks a state law they 100% can be arrested by state officers just like a state officer can be arrested by a federal officer if they break a federal law. Nobody, not even the NSA, is immune from getting arrested, there just might be some interdepartmental jockeying to get them released. If the state cops want to play hard ball though they could absolutely toss the ICE gestapo in jail and let them rot until a judge can be bothered to set bail.

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          Yes there is it’s called the supremacy clause.

          Murder is also a federal crime and where federal and state conflict federal wins. All they have to do is say they’re investigating it as a federal crime and poof no state charge can survive as a matter of law.

          It’s why the goode murder is being handled at a federal level not state. The state can investigate on their own as a failsafe but they cannot intercede or interfere.

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            The supremacy clause just means federal charges supercede state charges, not that federal officers are immune to state charges. If the federal courts want to bring federal murder charges against the ICE agents they could supercede the state ones, but that doesn’t stop the state officers from arresting the federal ones either until federal charges are brought or for other state crimes. Police have a long history of throwing everything they can possibly think of at someone knowing most of it won’t stick, if they wanted to I’m sure they could come up with a couple dozen state charges with no equivalent federal ones they could use to keep ICE behind state bars pending a federal court date.

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              No one said immune. It’s a change that can be charged federally, of the state tried they’d take it federal and the state couldn’t charge it as a state charge at that point. So no detention, no arrest and moreover no arrest warrant which you would need for an on duty officer.

              If they held a rectal officer on duty all they’d be doing is catching federal obstruction charges and the state leo would get arrested instead.

              There’s no magical state bullet for beating the feds, it just doesn’t work that way.