NATO likely will be de facto dissolved instantly upon US occupation.
The EU, Canada, Australia and other allies will retaliate. Imagine the hubris of thinking otherwise. And I would not be surprised to see alliances shifting to China.
US had a golden ticket granted to them by the rest of the world. How irretrievably stupid, selfish and short sighted do you have to be to throw that all away… And for a bloated conman who fucks kids? They deserve to crash.
How irretrievably stupid, selfish and short sighted do you have to be to throw that all away… And for a bloated conman who fucks kids? They deserve to crash.
That’s why I don’t buy it. All the clever people in the US accept that policy? All the billionaires who will lose their markets have supported a second term?
Trump can be impeached at any moment. All it takes is some billionaires who call their congress men.
B) NATO countries are providing Ukraine with tons of military hardware, without which it is arguable whether Ukraine would have survived this long.
C) The point is that Putin is using NATO as an excuse to go after Ukraine, since NATO is “threatening Russia” and Ukraine joining NATO would put a threatening force on Russia’s doorstep.
I don’t disagree with most of what you said, but you have to agree there is some fear of Russia escalating if NATO does send actual troops. Russia is not doing as well as most people expected, and them getting their ass handed to them by NATO would back an unstable and suddenly politically weak Putin into a corner where his response would be unpredictable.
It’s not really an excuse, Ukraine joining NATO would be terrible for Russia. They’re doing what they gotta do for themselves. You’d know a thing or two about that as an American right?
Wait, you just said NATO was fake-ass and would do nothing. Why would Ukraine joining NATO be terrible for Russia if NATO is so fake-ass and worthless?
Also, just because I’m an American doesn’t mean I believe in the things my government does. Trying to leave NATO and attacking random countries, like Trump is doing now, is not something I think is right.
They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Sartre’s bit about how fascists want to be anything but a man, also cleanly maps onto ICE traffickers.
JEAN PAUL SARTE
They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The antisemites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.
If the Jew did not exist, the anti-Semite would invent him.
[The anti-Semite attributes] all or part of his own misfortunes and those of his country to the presence of Jewish elements in the community, … proposes to remedy this state of affairs by depriving the Jews of certain of their rights, by keeping them out of certain economic and social activities, by expelling them from the country, by exterminating all of them …
It is not unusual for people to elect to live a life of passion rather than of reason. But ordinarily they love the objects of passion: women, glory, power, money. Since the anti-Semite has chosen hate, we are forced to conclude that it is the state of passion that he loves.
[The anti-Semite] fears every kind of solitariness… however small his stature, he takes every precaution to make it smaller, lest he stand out from the herd and find himself face to face with himself. He has made himself an anti-Semite because that is something one cannot be alone.
[The anti-Semite is afraid] of himself, of his own consciousness, of his own liberty, of his instincts, of his responsibilities, of solitariness, of change, of society, and the world – of everything except the Jews. [He is] a coward who does not want to admit his cowardice to himself.
Anti-Semitism, in short, is fear of the human condition. The anti-Semite is a man who wishes to be a pitiless stone, a furious torrent, a devastating thunderbolt – anything except a man.
NATO ain’t gonna do shit lmao. It was always a fake-ass fantasy designed to stop communism. That’s it.
NATO likely will be de facto dissolved instantly upon US occupation.
The EU, Canada, Australia and other allies will retaliate. Imagine the hubris of thinking otherwise. And I would not be surprised to see alliances shifting to China.
US had a golden ticket granted to them by the rest of the world. How irretrievably stupid, selfish and short sighted do you have to be to throw that all away… And for a bloated conman who fucks kids? They deserve to crash.
I guarantee you they will “closely monitor the situation”.
Which country do you live in?
That’s why I don’t buy it. All the clever people in the US accept that policy? All the billionaires who will lose their markets have supported a second term?
Trump can be impeached at any moment. All it takes is some billionaires who call their congress men.
Someone should tell Putin that NATO is fake so he can stop feeding people into the Ukrainian meat grinder.
NATO gonna save Ukraine any day now 🤣
A) Ukraine is not part of NATO.
B) NATO countries are providing Ukraine with tons of military hardware, without which it is arguable whether Ukraine would have survived this long.
C) The point is that Putin is using NATO as an excuse to go after Ukraine, since NATO is “threatening Russia” and Ukraine joining NATO would put a threatening force on Russia’s doorstep.
Ukraine may not be a part of NATO, but they are important for its defense against Russia.
That’s why NATO scumbags keep sending Ukraine equipment but never soldiers. They want Ukrainians to do the dying part for them.
NATO is a tool to protect the interests of Western oligarchs. They will only get involved as much as they think it will benefit their rulers.
I don’t disagree with most of what you said, but you have to agree there is some fear of Russia escalating if NATO does send actual troops. Russia is not doing as well as most people expected, and them getting their ass handed to them by NATO would back an unstable and suddenly politically weak Putin into a corner where his response would be unpredictable.
It’s not really an excuse, Ukraine joining NATO would be terrible for Russia. They’re doing what they gotta do for themselves. You’d know a thing or two about that as an American right?
Wait, you just said NATO was fake-ass and would do nothing. Why would Ukraine joining NATO be terrible for Russia if NATO is so fake-ass and worthless?
Also, just because I’m an American doesn’t mean I believe in the things my government does. Trying to leave NATO and attacking random countries, like Trump is doing now, is not something I think is right.
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Sorry you got censored.
The discussion ends here.
Excerpt from Sartre.
Originally about anti-semites, fits fascists too. For some reason I thought about this when reading your comment chain.
Sartre’s bit about how fascists want to be anything but a man, also cleanly maps onto ICE traffickers.
JEAN PAUL SARTE
They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The antisemites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.
If the Jew did not exist, the anti-Semite would invent him.
[The anti-Semite attributes] all or part of his own misfortunes and those of his country to the presence of Jewish elements in the community, … proposes to remedy this state of affairs by depriving the Jews of certain of their rights, by keeping them out of certain economic and social activities, by expelling them from the country, by exterminating all of them …
It is not unusual for people to elect to live a life of passion rather than of reason. But ordinarily they love the objects of passion: women, glory, power, money. Since the anti-Semite has chosen hate, we are forced to conclude that it is the state of passion that he loves.
[The anti-Semite] fears every kind of solitariness… however small his stature, he takes every precaution to make it smaller, lest he stand out from the herd and find himself face to face with himself. He has made himself an anti-Semite because that is something one cannot be alone.
[The anti-Semite is afraid] of himself, of his own consciousness, of his own liberty, of his instincts, of his responsibilities, of solitariness, of change, of society, and the world – of everything except the Jews. [He is] a coward who does not want to admit his cowardice to himself.
Anti-Semitism, in short, is fear of the human condition. The anti-Semite is a man who wishes to be a pitiless stone, a furious torrent, a devastating thunderbolt – anything except a man.
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Good comeback that totally addresses and destroys the original point 🤣
I mean, Russia is pretty clearly winning this war, not that I care either way.