I don’t care what you’ve done in the past, and you shouldn’t be too proud of it since it’s clearly meant nothing and has been a waste given where we are now.
But sure continue to insult former allies and talk about how America is the greatest and strongest country. You’re a shining example of an American, no doubt about that. You want to blame everything else but yourself, but too bad for you, because your country is dogshit and has done more to propagate wealth inequality globally than anyone else, despite all the work you or anyone else has done. But I guess you can feel high and mighty because you’re not the problem, it’s those evil corporations what did it.
Yes I love my country and wish for it to be a force for good, despite its many problems. And despite the fact that you think you’re a good person, you really don’t give a shit about the suffering you and your country are causing. We are not the same, and you should not presume to know anything about me. In fact I’m fairly sure I know far more about your country than you do about mine, because America is foundationally self-interested to the point of outright ignorance. It’s what allows you to justify and wave away the increasing insanity.
You don’t really care, that is obvious. You can’t see the past and you certainly can’t see the future.
You think it is an insult to tell you the motherfucking truth!? That your government has been a waste and that it is controlled by the same wealthy that control the US. This is reality and you better start opening your eyes.
I already explained the US is the worst. You are so stuck on stupid you can’t stop the propaganda. Everything you do is exactly what the fascists do. Blame everyone else for the problems, in this case the US.
You hate the US for some imaginary reason. At least I have a real reason to hate my country.
You will need years of deprogramming and decades of learning to understand what is really going on. Good luck and may you learn the awful truth.
Nothing you’ve said is new or interesting to me. You’re acting as if oligarchy and class warfare are new concepts. You don’t have any special knowledge, just calm down.
I’m over 5 decades on this earth. I have a family with young kids, career aspirations and retirement plans. Your country has threatened to destroy all of that, and drive me back into the military, relocate my family. Your country poses an existential threat to me and my family, so I don’t give a dry fuck about your abstract bogeymen at this point. I don’t care how we got here, I care about what this threat means to me and my family. And how do you think you’ll be affected? Do you expect to face an occupation by overwhelming military force? Do you expect to face the decision of whether to flee or fight for survival?
You have the luxury of criticizing ideology and politics and oligarchy and high minded concepts. I and my family may face life or death. We are not the same. Your concerns are potential moral dissonance. My concerns are mortal.
Anyway, I’ve realized this post in general and you in particular are doing nothing but enraging me. Don’t get me wrong, I believe I’m justified to be enraged despite what you seem to have convinced yourself. But I want to cheer when I see my former American friends and colleagues start to fight back and have victories. I want to support them in any way I can. I don’t want to lose sight of the fact that there are good people that are suffering in their own way. I want to feel vicarious pride when this entire fascist shitparade gets turned back. I’ve seen Americans do great things, and I want to see it again, and I believe there are good people there who deserve to see this too. Maybe not you - maybe you and I will never understand each other. But I want to pull myself back from the brink, and I don’t want people like you to remove all hope from me.
Your rage has only blinded you to the truth and you have become what you despise. There is a way forward and part of that is recognizing where we are. You say you are in your fifties, but you think like I did when I was a teenager.
I am about to have my second grandchild. I am not your enemy nor are my fellow Americans.
If you think anyone but the perpetrators are the problem you have already fallen into their trap. You need to start understanding propaganda and the rhetoric of control.
The only side you should be on is that of human beings. If that puts you at odds with everything else so be it. It is not like being right was ever popular.
Frankly, I’ve explained to you why what I face as a small country under threat is not what you face as the aggressor. You say I’m blinded by rage and you talk about propaganda, but your country destroying my economy or attacking militarily is not propaganda. That’s real life, those are real food shortages and real bullets. Don’t get distracted by high minded ideology that points me at the oligarchs or the corporations or whoever is responsible. I don’t care about that now. I have more pressing concerns.
In the process of discussing with you, you made it clear you don’t care about my country so I don’t expect you to understand what I’m going through. And I recognize that infantilizing others is an easy way to dismiss them and validate yourself, but as I said before you don’t know me and I’m not sure why you think I’d be bothered if an Internet stranger thought he was more mature than me. As I said, I have more pressing concerns.
However, I updated my original comment because I realized that I have more I needed to say to my American friends and family and others like them. So I guess you can congratulate yourself for bringing me to that point. It’s ok we don’t have to like each other. I don’t take it personally.
Frankly, you are a mess. You really don’t know one end from the other and I hope you handle your family a shit ton better than this conversation.
You are constantly oscillating between being a victim and rage hating. The fact that I am more mature is self-evident. Your alarmism is unbecoming and counterproductive.
If you just came here to rage and not to discuss, understand, learn, or grow that is fine. You should at least be honest with yourself if you can’t be honest with me.
I like you. You are certainly passionate and remind me of myself many years ago.
Wow you’re a real sanctimonious ass, eh?. I even tried to bring it down at the end, and you couldn’t find a way to meet me there, preferring to keep the insults and rage going. I thought your whole point was about propaganda driving rage? Are you Christian by chance?
You talk about suffering like you know what it is, but Americans have no idea. You’ve never suffered an invasion. You showed up years late to both world wars and then made movies bragging about winning them for the next century, ridiculing the efforts of the rest of the world. You think you’re special because you’ve figured out the wealth divide. You’re not special. You’re another know it all who acts as both victims and savior. You are the shitty part of America who just happens to think you’re better than the shittier part.
Don’t you worry about me. Worry about yourself. I hope the worst for you, maybe you’re in upstate NY when we cut your power, and you get the distinct pleasure of freezing in the dark.
Now go wrestle your nub to your new orange daddy, maybe this time he’ll finish in your mouth ya cunt.
I’m surprised you haven’t figured it out yet: I don’t believe you or anything you’ve said.
I think you’re a fascist who cosplays as an enlightened populist online, so your insults mean nothing, I see who you look up to.
Edit oh man kicking myself for not looking at your post history… You’re a nihilist and you clearly think your cynicism gives you an enlightened perspective. But in the end, you offer no solutions and you end up in violence and ultranationalism. You have no objective. And you talk about propaganda driving rage. Its hard to imagine a less mature and accountable belief system.
I don’t care what you’ve done in the past, and you shouldn’t be too proud of it since it’s clearly meant nothing and has been a waste given where we are now.
But sure continue to insult former allies and talk about how America is the greatest and strongest country. You’re a shining example of an American, no doubt about that. You want to blame everything else but yourself, but too bad for you, because your country is dogshit and has done more to propagate wealth inequality globally than anyone else, despite all the work you or anyone else has done. But I guess you can feel high and mighty because you’re not the problem, it’s those evil corporations what did it.
Yes I love my country and wish for it to be a force for good, despite its many problems. And despite the fact that you think you’re a good person, you really don’t give a shit about the suffering you and your country are causing. We are not the same, and you should not presume to know anything about me. In fact I’m fairly sure I know far more about your country than you do about mine, because America is foundationally self-interested to the point of outright ignorance. It’s what allows you to justify and wave away the increasing insanity.
You don’t really care, that is obvious. You can’t see the past and you certainly can’t see the future.
You think it is an insult to tell you the motherfucking truth!? That your government has been a waste and that it is controlled by the same wealthy that control the US. This is reality and you better start opening your eyes.
I already explained the US is the worst. You are so stuck on stupid you can’t stop the propaganda. Everything you do is exactly what the fascists do. Blame everyone else for the problems, in this case the US.
You hate the US for some imaginary reason. At least I have a real reason to hate my country.
You will need years of deprogramming and decades of learning to understand what is really going on. Good luck and may you learn the awful truth.
Nothing you’ve said is new or interesting to me. You’re acting as if oligarchy and class warfare are new concepts. You don’t have any special knowledge, just calm down.
I’m over 5 decades on this earth. I have a family with young kids, career aspirations and retirement plans. Your country has threatened to destroy all of that, and drive me back into the military, relocate my family. Your country poses an existential threat to me and my family, so I don’t give a dry fuck about your abstract bogeymen at this point. I don’t care how we got here, I care about what this threat means to me and my family. And how do you think you’ll be affected? Do you expect to face an occupation by overwhelming military force? Do you expect to face the decision of whether to flee or fight for survival?
You have the luxury of criticizing ideology and politics and oligarchy and high minded concepts. I and my family may face life or death. We are not the same. Your concerns are potential moral dissonance. My concerns are mortal.
Anyway, I’ve realized this post in general and you in particular are doing nothing but enraging me. Don’t get me wrong, I believe I’m justified to be enraged despite what you seem to have convinced yourself. But I want to cheer when I see my former American friends and colleagues start to fight back and have victories. I want to support them in any way I can. I don’t want to lose sight of the fact that there are good people that are suffering in their own way. I want to feel vicarious pride when this entire fascist shitparade gets turned back. I’ve seen Americans do great things, and I want to see it again, and I believe there are good people there who deserve to see this too. Maybe not you - maybe you and I will never understand each other. But I want to pull myself back from the brink, and I don’t want people like you to remove all hope from me.
Your rage has only blinded you to the truth and you have become what you despise. There is a way forward and part of that is recognizing where we are. You say you are in your fifties, but you think like I did when I was a teenager.
I am about to have my second grandchild. I am not your enemy nor are my fellow Americans.
If you think anyone but the perpetrators are the problem you have already fallen into their trap. You need to start understanding propaganda and the rhetoric of control.
The only side you should be on is that of human beings. If that puts you at odds with everything else so be it. It is not like being right was ever popular.
Frankly, I’ve explained to you why what I face as a small country under threat is not what you face as the aggressor. You say I’m blinded by rage and you talk about propaganda, but your country destroying my economy or attacking militarily is not propaganda. That’s real life, those are real food shortages and real bullets. Don’t get distracted by high minded ideology that points me at the oligarchs or the corporations or whoever is responsible. I don’t care about that now. I have more pressing concerns.
In the process of discussing with you, you made it clear you don’t care about my country so I don’t expect you to understand what I’m going through. And I recognize that infantilizing others is an easy way to dismiss them and validate yourself, but as I said before you don’t know me and I’m not sure why you think I’d be bothered if an Internet stranger thought he was more mature than me. As I said, I have more pressing concerns.
However, I updated my original comment because I realized that I have more I needed to say to my American friends and family and others like them. So I guess you can congratulate yourself for bringing me to that point. It’s ok we don’t have to like each other. I don’t take it personally.
Frankly, you are a mess. You really don’t know one end from the other and I hope you handle your family a shit ton better than this conversation.
You are constantly oscillating between being a victim and rage hating. The fact that I am more mature is self-evident. Your alarmism is unbecoming and counterproductive.
If you just came here to rage and not to discuss, understand, learn, or grow that is fine. You should at least be honest with yourself if you can’t be honest with me.
I like you. You are certainly passionate and remind me of myself many years ago.
Wow you’re a real sanctimonious ass, eh?. I even tried to bring it down at the end, and you couldn’t find a way to meet me there, preferring to keep the insults and rage going. I thought your whole point was about propaganda driving rage? Are you Christian by chance?
You talk about suffering like you know what it is, but Americans have no idea. You’ve never suffered an invasion. You showed up years late to both world wars and then made movies bragging about winning them for the next century, ridiculing the efforts of the rest of the world. You think you’re special because you’ve figured out the wealth divide. You’re not special. You’re another know it all who acts as both victims and savior. You are the shitty part of America who just happens to think you’re better than the shittier part.
Don’t you worry about me. Worry about yourself. I hope the worst for you, maybe you’re in upstate NY when we cut your power, and you get the distinct pleasure of freezing in the dark.
Now go wrestle your nub to your new orange daddy, maybe this time he’ll finish in your mouth ya cunt.
You act like a garbage human being. Have fun catching bullets in your made up fantasy.
I’m surprised you haven’t figured it out yet: I don’t believe you or anything you’ve said.
I think you’re a fascist who cosplays as an enlightened populist online, so your insults mean nothing, I see who you look up to.
Edit oh man kicking myself for not looking at your post history… You’re a nihilist and you clearly think your cynicism gives you an enlightened perspective. But in the end, you offer no solutions and you end up in violence and ultranationalism. You have no objective. And you talk about propaganda driving rage. Its hard to imagine a less mature and accountable belief system.