• kmartburrito@lemmy.world
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        There are an incredible amount of stupid people out there, in every political party and country and economic class. That doesn’t diminish the terrible, awful, generational impacts that trump, his administration, his party, and his supporters are doing to the US and in many instances the rest of the world.

        I don’t disagree with you, but if anyone continues a “both sides” argument at this point when the damage is being done by the party with the super majority and in full power, it’s hard not to be suspicious of their intentions.

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          Oh, in no way am I intending to make a both sides argument - I’m lampooning such positions. Lot of people that are theoretically allies thought they’d play the purity pony game and sit out or throw away their vote rather than vote for the Democrats, and I find that infuriating.

          Of course, many of them will be glad to expound, even now, how enlightened they were to not vote for Kamala.

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      Dem vs GOP isn’t a zero-sum game: presidents and administrations of both stripes have consistently been terrible. They’re just slightly different flavors of imperialism.

      Also, what someone else woulda/coulda/shoulda done in an alternate reality is irrelevant.

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          1. Ngô Đình Diệm leader of south Vietnam - JFK
          2. Mohammed Farah Aidid leader of Somalian rebel group - Clinton
          3. Osama bin Laden- Obama
          4. Muammar Gaddafi - Obama

          No qualitative statement about any of those men. Just a list

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              Bin Laden was the head of a transitional group seeking to establish Islamist control. While Al Qaeda did not have official recognition as a sovereign state, they were a well known and established organization.

              The US and NATO were heavily involved in the regime change in Libya. US strikes disabled the convoy Qaddafi was in that immediately led to his capture.

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                “transitional group with no official recognition” is a funny way of spelling terrorists.

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                It was a NATO strike that disabled the convoy before Gaddafi and those closest to him fled to a nearby villa, which was shelled by rebel militia from Misrata.

                You’re really stretching here my dude.

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                  By my count, that’s two who weren’t heads of state; one team effort with nato and locals; and one from before most of the current electorate was alive, never mind voting.

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      Who else is supposed to do something about the USA? Surely nobody here wants a full on war? So change HAS to come from within.

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          Yeah, being realistic here, no country on earth can successfully invade the US. Change from within is pretty much the only option. If the American people are fine with the currently state of affairs then not much the rest of the world can do.

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            Most of them aren’t fine with the status quo, but they’re too poor and distracted to really do anything. We’re really good at the whole bread and circus thing.

            The ones with money and means are too busy making more money than they ever have in their entire lives to care.

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              Not just poor or distracted… Is a fascist state, fear and police control are real. You want to accidentally be mistaken for an immigrant and sent to Honduras? How about jail for 5 years for throwing a firecracker at a protest because it’s “terrorism”?

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            If no country on earth can invade the US and the US has already been protesting and demonstraing at record turnout what exactly do you expect citizens to be able to do that a financed and organized military cannot?

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            Italy was also part of the Axis powers, there was a lot of external pressure on that country by the Allies. There is none on the USA. Also hasn’t there been three assassination attempts on Trump ‘from within’, Id hardly say he hasn’t gotten lucky.

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      Exactly. While I think Americans should be doing more to pressure the few elected officials that may care, some key points are constantly glossed over. We have the largest military in the world (by a factor of like 10x), we have the highest prisoner population on earth and one of the highest per capita, we have the number one propaganda operation on earth and it has been running wildly for longer than most of us have been alive, our government was specifically set up to marginalize our voices, and our vast geography make it incredibly easy to discount/hard to mobilize the populace.

      You don’t hear people saying the Chinese citizenry need to step up when their govt commits atrocities. And before anyone brings up either Tiananmen Square or the Buddhist monk who self immolated- we haven’t had the tank scene play out but we have had people self-immolate in front of the White House. And it was just as effective as the demonstrations in China—in that it wasn’t effective.