• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    19 hours ago

    Are you allergic to giving a clear answer? Being extremely vague about your claims and refusing to address points I’ve made isn’t helping your case here.

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      19 hours ago

      You said according theories you believe in that socialist countries will be best of the best and so on. I’m not concerned about the future and don’t really trust these sort of predictions, so what else can even say really. I wanted to be nice and agree that yeah maybe at some point.

      I’m just not very interested in speculation, that’s all

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        19 hours ago

        I said that socialist countries are better at providing for the working class now. This statement requires isolating variables and taking differences into account when making a comparison, not looking at static and arbitrary comparisons. Further, the decay in imperialist countries and the rise of socialist countries are already ongoing, not processes for the future. You’ve been explained this before and haven’t responded to it, or justified why your arbitrary comparison is better than comparing peer countries and trajectories.

        Same goes with not giving a clear answer on geographical shifts, evolution, and imperialism. Your static snapshot method is wrong.

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          18 hours ago

          I mean the best countries are still capitalist. So eh, once a socialist vountry take that top spot your argument will be stronger. But we’re not there yet.

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            18 hours ago

            “Best” in what way? A tiny number of countries that fund their safety nets through plundering the global south doesn’t mean capitalism is good at safety nets, it means capitalism forces plunder. You never engage with this point and it sounds like you’re pro-imperialism.

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              18 hours ago

              Best in the way we’ve talked about the whole time… Least amount of people living paycheck to paycheck and since social safety nets count, the ones with best of those too. Nordics are top at that.

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                18 hours ago

                And it makes no difference to you if these safety nets are eroding, and depend entirely on depriving people in the global south of their own wealth and safety nets? By your logic billionaires have the best safety nets, so being a billionaire is the best system.

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                  18 hours ago

                  I think you know how I feel about speculation about the future. And being a billionaire would be a great system, though they seem to exist in both system we talked about, since there’s billionaires in socialist countries and capitalist ones.

                  Maybe your theory about billionaires being the ultimate winner is on to something.

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                    18 hours ago

                    Billionaires cannot exist without the workers they plunder from, just like imperialist countries cannot exist without the countries they plunder from. Trying to isolate a subsection of the economy and erase those doing the work to prop it up is your error. The workers in the global south that prop up the Nordic systems are contained within that system, and as a consequence the actual working class is below China in terms of safety nets. China doesn’t rely on this system, and as such is ahead.