• Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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    Kamala Harris targeted Republican women for a good portion of her campaign, and dropped a lot of the very popular Democratic platform, resulting in millions of Democrats sitting this one out.

    Do you think this is because they are stupid? Why would they do this if not to take a knee? And I still thought that Trump would lose, I couldn’t believe that he would be re-elected. I’m never cynical enough.

    Imagine if she ran on a $15 an hour minimum wage increase, helping many millions of our poorest Americans, with over 60% voter support (not Democrat). Our consumer economy would get millions of new consumers participating.

    Ds and Rs are now 30% each, independents are 40% of the voters. Both parties know that they cannot win without a majorly popular independent issue. Why was this ignored?

    Oh, almost forget, yes, I know, BoTh SiDeS and so on.

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      Are there some fundamental differences between Dems and GQP? Sure, some, but as a person who has taken an outside view of politics through expanding my political knowledge and understanding, when it comes down to it they only have surface level differences. When Madami was running for Mayor of New York the Democrat establishment threw every nasty thing they could to STOP him. Get this straight, they would have rather a MAGA win than an avowed Democratic Socialist. THAT tells me what I really need to know about the majority of the Democrats in the party.

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      BoTh SiDeS and so on.

      One might argue the sides are Labor and Capital, but we only have representatives from the Capital Party to choose from every year

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        Agreed! Our “labor party” sold out a long time ago; our current choices are secular or theocratic capital.

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      Imagine if she ran on a $15 an hour minimum wage increase

      To be extremely clear. THAT WAS ONE OF HER POLICIES

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        THAT WAS ONE OF HER POLICIES

        Democrats run on $15/hr, win in a landslide (2020), and throw up their hands because they don’t have Joe Manchin’s permission to raise wages in the US Senate.

        Republicans run on ending abortions and now abortions are fully illegal in a slew of states, with a national ban on the horizon.

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          I didn’t watch her every appearance, but I did watch quite a lot, and minimum wage seriously got very little time compared to her pursuit of Republicans. Reporters and politicos who did watch everything agree. Abortion was in the forefront regarding their D platform, which has about as much support as higher minimum wage (over 60%).

          If she had replaced her R outreach with campaigning for higher wages, and continued as she did with the abortion issue, she would have received many more D and independent voters. She needed them both to win, the “R strategy” was weird and stupid and in my opinion I think she was paid to do exactly what she did.

          Her campaign undeniably made a fortune from somebody (over a billion dollars). Not only did she make more than anybody ever, she did it in just a few months. It’s a radical and preposterous increase, right in the open, in public.

          She immediately knew reaching out to Rs was a massive waste of precious time and that she would lose if she did so. It’s a mathematical certainty, bOtH pArTiEs know that they need to court independents instead of their opponents to win a fed election.

          I voted for her, this is not a Trump defense, he also is paid to do exactly what he does by “donors” (like Saudi Arabia and Musk and Bezos and Walmart and Russia and that guy from the Hercules sitcom).

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          And you’re every so politely ignoring the states run by dems having higher min wages, to pretend that it’s only Republicans getting shit done. Notably just like there isn’t a $15 min national wage, there’s also not a national abortion ban. Your comparison is poorly cherry picked.

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            I can’t speak for everyone, but I thought thoroughness would be pedantic. I could have gone into much more detail, or at least typed out “FEDERAL minimum wage”, but I had thought this was taken for granted in any FEDERAL election. So what do you do? Accuse me of “pretending” and “cherry picking”, that’s not nice.

            So, for future reference, a President can only sign a federal minimum wage increase, they are unable to raise state, city, etc. minimum wages. I’ll be sure to type that out into great detail next time. Ha, I’m kidding, ain’t nobody got time for that.

            You know my post would have had to be pages long for the wage increase if I went into detail, you could easily write a fat book about it.

            Remember, 40% of voters are independent, Ds and Rs are at 30% each. It’s to your advantage to be cordial, whatever party you are; hostility will NOT win elections. Not an accusation, just sharing a factoid (hint hint)

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              For the comment higher towards you I really did mean that as a general clarification. I would’ve worded it more strongly otherwise. I wasn’t entirely sure if you realized it or not given your wording, so I wanted to make sure less familiar people reading on that were more clear.

              The cherry picking comment was not to you, it was to their person it’s replied to. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just misread the comment chain

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        To be extremely clear. THAT WAS ONE OF HER POLICIES

        Of course, this is well known in politics circles. That is why I said, “a good portion of her campaign was targeting Republican women voters.” (bold added for emphasis)

        To be totally transparent, SERIOUSLY, THIS Is NOT A JOKE OR SOME KIND OF WORD TRICKERY OR CONSPIRACY, WITH NO CLAIMS MADE OF A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OR EXCLUSIVITY OF POLICIES.

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          I think the 2 of your’s disconnect is over what ‘ran on’ means. Most people would take that to be the main emphasis of the campign messaging,

          Not the total platform and all its contents.

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            Yes, my opinion is she “ran on” abortion and R outreach primarily.

            Abortion was a good issue, but any “R outreach” time spent was wasted. Spend that time on Democrats and independents instead.

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      I have been an Unafilliated Independent since I registered to vote in 1977. Neither party can win without me, but they can’t count on my vote. If they want my vote, they have to EARN it, and they even seldom try.

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        I’ve always been curio, what does that mean in the US ? When someone says they’re a registered democrat or republican. It seems to be different to party membership in Australia

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          Pretty sure it means you get to vote in the primaries, aka the election to choose who’s in the election

          You don’t have to vote for the party you’re registered for.

          This is coming from a non-American, but that’s how I understand it

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        Me too, and have been since I turned 18 in the late 80s. No exceptions, always registered Independent, I have a strong dislike for BoTh PaRtIes. I’m an issue voter first and anti-incumbent voter second.

        Good to meet a fellow member of the majority!|

        In the 50s, we were only 20% of the voters, so Independents have doubled in the last 70+ years.

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          I think we’re growing, too. A lot of people had been giving the Dems the benefit of the doubt, until they just folded up and let MAGA take everything right back, and didn’t put up a fight at all. It was a disgusting, shameful performance, and all those MAGA appeasers need to go. There’s a small handful that can stay, but the rest need to be replaced by new Democratic Warriors who will actually do their jobs, and fight for us.