Sadly, as always, Lisp is put in parenthesis and doesn’t show here
SQL? Toy?
This is a very bad chart:
- I don’t understand what Toy Lang, Nu Lang or even System Lang mean
- How are C and Assembly obsolete?
- How is C++ more obsolete than D or Go?
- PHP still powers a large portion of the internet, certainly not a “Toy Lang”
- Why is ECMAScript here and not JavaScript?
Downvoting.
This chart is easier to understand if you make the following substitutions:
- Toy Lang --> high level language (except brainfuck really is a low level toy language)
- System Lang --> low level language
- Obsolete Lang --> old programming language, regardless of obsolescence status
- Nu Lang --> newer programming language
After understanding this construction, I fail to find any humor in this.
Why is ECMAScript here and not JavaScript?
Among other things, “JavaScript” is a trademark of Oracle.
I fail to find any humour in this. I think the humour are the labels (Toy, System, Nu, Obsolete), which are however incorrect and misleading.
Among other things, “JavaScript” is a trademark of Oracle.
Does this prevent it from being used in memes?
The hardest hitting rage bait I’ve seen all year
Yes, SQL is but a toy language. It probably will never make it into production.
What is Fortran’s actual address on this visualization?
Asking for a friend.
how is python to the right and mojo at the bottom.
Assembly being obsolete has to be the funniest joke in here. It fundamentally never will be even if its use is niche
…and C++ being obsolete is the second funniest.
It is clearly surpassed by C though this chart seems to have missed that fact.
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How are you defining “Obsolete” vs “Nu”?
e.g. Brainfuck from 1993 is all the way to Nu, while D (2001) and Rust (2012) are less “Nu”?
Also, what the hell is “nu” supposed to mean?
Nude 😳
OP probably lived through the mid-1990s rise of “nu-metal” bands like Linkin Park
Funny that nushell is not on here.
Where is Nu lang?
Maybe short for “Nouveau”.
The “ouvea” being removed:P
AKA: How to annoy a bunch of computer nerds very quickly…
Make one for Linux distros next!!!
By being wildly wrong you mean?
You say “wildly wrong”, they say “incentivizing engagement”.
So rage bait?
Precisely. Getting people upset is the foremost technique to farm engagement on social media. Sites such as Facebook even deliberately altered their algorithms to show content that will anger readers because it works so well to keep them invested.
Engagement bait is omnipresent and really obvious once you learn to spot it - even something as innocuous as one or two “accidental” typos in a meme to get people into the comments section.
You could rent yourself to translate corporate-speak in email and meetings
Yeah, the axes on this are weird, why would the opposite of a systems language be a toy language? And why is Lua, a very popular and commonly used language in tons of stuff, a “toy”? And Lua is a nu Lang? It’s older than Java, maybe it just feels newer because each release isn’t necessarily backwards compatible?
Also Python as a toy lang and somehow more “nu” than Java despite Java being younger?
I think the order of Java and Python makes perfect sense. The OOP C++ -> Java pipeline was massive in the early 2000s when python wasn’t really on the radar. The world has been slowly moving away from that, and Python is one of the most popular languages right now.
OP is a “C guy”
It wouldn’t be a good compass if nobody had strong issues with it:
- System vs Toy is not opposed to each other. Should have been system vs abstract or useful vs toy or whatever
- Where LISP? Best language missing makes graph bad
Edit: before people tell me there’s already ‘obsolete’ on the graph, no, there’s loads of obsolete languages that are still useful, and many more new languages that are either built for fun or not used for sad or good reasons.
Edit2: I’m also halfway sure that brainfuck is older than rust (but don’t wanna look it up). But if that’s true your axis mean several things at once anyway and you should feel bad (not really though).
I literally opened it looking for Lisp and dismissed the whole thing when I realized its not there
Haskell’s also not there. I was ready to criticize any quadrant it was put in heh. But that’s probably mostly because the axes are kinda bad.
If everything written in those “obsolete” languages suddenly disappeared, the whole world would go dark.
The huge gap between “obsolete” versus “legacy”
That doesn’t stop them from being obsolete, it just means that people who have the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” mentality can get fucked.
SQL isn’t a toy language, it’s a domain specific language.
Yeah, but 3D political compasses just don’t have the same hold on people.
How is C or assembly obsolete when they are literally everywhere is beyond me
C is more obsolete than Rust. Coding directly in assembly is rare. Beyond that it’s more subjective.
The C which is an integral part of every linux kernel on every computer and server running linux as the OS and all the embedded systems everywhere and almost all the performance critical parts of python libraries?
I won’t have much to say about assembly since don’t use it but far as I know low level parts of OS such as bootloader likely still uses assembly not to also mention embedded systems.
As long as both of these exist in embedded systems, it is just statistically weird to call it obsolete even in regards to other languages.
For instance data scientists majorly use python, but python critically depends on C and devices they use critically depend on C and assembly. Can you then really say what they do does not depend on C and assembly and python is more widely used?
Many games are still hand optimised in assembly, at least the inner loops.
Compilers are pretty damn good at doing that by now.
I can believe there’s some direct assembly usage down in the depths of Unity and Unreal engines, but the average game dev is probably not going to touch it.
I’d agree that the average game dev is on Unity or unreal and won’t be hand optimizing any inner loops.
But there are a surprising amount of studios still on their own tech and there the low-level engineers definitely do (I’ve worked in the industry and have seen it first hand - and done it myself).
It also tends to be at the start of a console’s life span before the compiler and linker is mature up against the hardware.
So, the Linux kernel is already partially moved over to Rust. It’s probably in the Python ecosystem too, although I can’t actually say.
More obsolete was a deliberate word choice. Hell, even COBOL is still used.
yea but Rust is not above %80 of the languages in the chart. It is not just a matter of C being more obsolete than Rust it is more like C being one of the most obsolete in the chart. Can’t call it that until it is replaced %80 by something else in systems that exists world-wide and everywhere.
I’d actually use some kind of projected future to define obsoleteness. Like, fossil fuels are obsolete relative to renewables, because there’s going to be more going forwards even though there’s more fossil fuels right now.
Athough, I have no idea if Mojo or Nim are going anywhere, and Brainfuck isn’t. Maybe there’s a dimension of novelty that’s also flattened into that axis.
