What’s up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?
It’s not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.
Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.
Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?
Your instance is probably one of the few who still federated with lemmygrad and hexbear as you described both these instances to a T. You can either block these instances or create an account with one of the numerous instances that have defederated from these absurd groups.
And lemmy.ml - as evidenced by the comments here.
You’re welcome to leave if you just want yet another pro-West nationalist circle jerk
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Mate, you are in a .ml com
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This person supports Israel’s genocide of Gaza, btw.
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Got to keep that echo chamber sealed
Funny you say that considering hexbear had themselves sealed off from everyone else for several years.
I have no issue with people holding opposing viewpoints or perspectives, but I do have an issue with people acting as little more than mouthpieces for some authoritarian politicians. I see little difference between them and the MAGA sycophants who talk about the “great” things Donald Trump is doing.
No, they didn’t.
So you do actually have issues with opposing viewpoints.
Hexbear didn’t “have themselves sealed off,” r/chapotraphouse was banned for supporting John Brown, and then the sub went off and made chapo.chat, later Hexbear.net, as its own thing. Years later, they worked to integrate with Lemmy, and then the anti-communist instances like Lemmy.world defederated before Hexbear even started federating with them.
The fact that you fail to see a difference between MAGA and communists is more of a self-own than anything. Communists have strong, resolute views based on reading theory and (ideally) organizing in the real world and advocate for liberation of all peoples.
So they went off and “made their own thing for years” but that doesn’t describe an echo chamber?
Instances didnt defederate from them for being communist. Lemmy.ml is run by communists and we’re obviously interacting now, no? They defederated from these groups because they’re obnoxious and disengenuous. They act like MAGA sycophants cosplaying as communists.
Lemmy.ml isn’t defederated from Hexbear. What are you talking about?
Communists can’t really create echo chambers, at least not in the west, because liberalism is inescapable in day to day life. Liberals can create echo-chambers (and do), because day to day life in the west is very pro-liberalism. Hexbear didn’t “seal themselves off,” they created a space where they wouldn’t be censored by liberals and fascists.
As for Lemmy.ml, it’s run by communists, but is also the main dev instance, so there’s a lot of instances that don’t want to fully isolate from the devs. That’s why I use it, actually, so I both don’t get censored for being a communist but can also speak with liberals that otherwise can’t see Hexbear.net or Lemmygrad.ml.
As for why Hexbear was defederated, Lemmy.world makes it clear that it’s an ideological incompatability:
So yes, it was because Lemmy.world is anti-communist. Same with sh.itjust.works. It isn’t because of holding strong beliefs in communism, but because of the incompatability of communism with instances like Lemmy.world.
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We’re not talking about “the west” we’re talking about websites that transcend borders. This is disingenuous nonsense.
Citation needed.
Why have you written this information without providing a source for it? Is it because it was copied from directly inside said echo-chamber? Why focus solely on lemmy.world when they’re just one of many instances to defederate from them? More disingenuous nonsense.
Gee lets see you’re speaking about liberal propaganda, how terrible NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank are, how there’s an “imperial order” (the deep state) secretly running things behind the scenes and you still want to sit here claiming you don’t sound exactly like a MAGA Republican cosplaying as a communist.
So dismantle and destroy modern society with no thought about what comes after? You’d think people who claim to be so deep into communism would have some sort of vision or idea for the world they want to create based on the principles of communism, yet here you admit there is no vision other than ‘destroying liberals’ and ‘destroying the west.’ See how quickly the facade of ‘communism’ falls apart under the slightest scrutiny?
All you’re left with is fascist messaging echoing the fascist propaganda coming from people like Trump, Putin, and Netanyahu. These ideas can’t stand on their own which is why hexbear users love to brigade posts, argue in bad faith, and derail every discussion with absurd memes and ad hominem attacks once anyone pokes the slightest hole in their logic because then they dont have to defend and indefensible position.
You’re simply using “communism” as a shield to both create a built-in ‘victim’ defense and to lure in naive new users to brainwash. This is no different than Christians claiming people are attacking them for having “Christian beliefs” while they try to remove rights to LGBT individuals. Hexbear literally uses this same exact tactic by pretending to be pro-LGBT while supporting the Trump and Putin regime who has or is moving toward making it a crime to be LGBT. Sorry, but adding an option to include your pronouns next to your username while championing a dictator who imprisons people for being LGBT and legally mandates ‘conversion therapy’ doesn’t make you guys “pro-LGBT.” You’re just targeting marginalized people to lure them into your cult to build numbers. Its no different than the QAnon people, the Manoshpere people, MAGA, or any other modern cult.
Speaking of echo chambers, that straw man rant came from the halls of your mind palace.
If you had a legitimate rebuttal to anything I’ve stated, you’d be able to write more than a 15-word ad hominem reply.
Websites transcend borders, sure, but the China hate is largely western.
I don’t think you need a citation to know that capitalism is the dominant economic structure in the west, and that therefore liberalism is dominant.
Here’s the source, I copied exactly from Lemmy.world’s admins. You could do 5 seconds of searching or waste all that time trying to call me out for some reason.
Marxist-Leninists are against imperialism, and by extension NATO and the IMF. You just added “deep state” and pretended that made it MAGA, lmao. Just say you don’t know any communists nor what communists advocate for.
As for dismantling imperialism, obviously that’s one step, the other step is socialist revolution and replacement with an economy run collectively. This is incredibly obvious to anyone even tangentially familiar with communist theory. There isn’t a “facade of communism,” the only “facade” is the idea that you should be taken seriously.
No, you don’t have fascism, you have fanfiction. You fundamentally have no clue what communists want, why, or how we want to get there. Hexbear isn’t supporting Trump, and we aren’t “pretending” to be LGBTQ+, I’m pansexual myself.
Fundamentally, you’re an anti-communist that lacks any and all knowledge of communism. Here’s a beginner Marxist-Leninist reading list, and here’s the Party Program for the Party for Socialism and Liberation. Read both. No investigation, no right to speak.
Wait I thought we were talking about “communist hate” why are you now shifting the goalposts to “China hate?” If the west hates China so much, why do we all buy 90% of our merchandise from them?
Capitalism is also the dominant economic structure of China and Russia which is why they have groups of oligarchs and billionaires running these countries while others live in crumbling huts and factory dormitories surrounded by suicide nets, yet youre a staunch defender of these policies despite them being wildly contradictory to your stated beliefs.
I can spend time blindly searching for the sources you’re using to defend your argument?
Now that you’ve actually provided your source, I’m curious why you omitted this whole section of the post giving numerous examples of hexbear and lemmygrad users violating rules and causing drama?
With actual context, its clear why lemmy.world defederated from hexbear and lemmygrad. It’s not because of “communism” like you keep insisting with zero evidence, it’s because these two instances have zero intention of following rules, having honest discussions, making good faith arguments, and not trolling the rest of lemmy. They have every intention of proselytizing, making bad faith arguments, brigading, derailing discussions, and trolling the rest of lemmy. They’ve stated they’re waging a one-sided war against the rest of us.
Your argument here is akin to the KKK claiming they were excluded from the local middle school bake sale “because they’re Christian.” It’s an embarrassingly transparent farce of an argument.
And yet you guys support imperialist Russia during their invasion of a sovereign nation. You support imperialist China as they seize control of Tibet, Hong Kong, enslave Uyghurs, and set their sights on Taiwan. You guys support Israel’s imperialism against Gaza, the West Bank, Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and Yemen.
Would you define China and Russia as existing within this framework?
These things do sound like communist ideals, however nobody from Hexbear or Lemmygrad are espousing these ideals and therein lies the rub and why I say you guys are just cosplaying as communists. If your stated ideals were more than just a facade, you wouldn’t hesitate to criticize “the east” for violating these ideals just the same. These ideals only seem to come in to play when you want to claim that you’re being persecuted. You’re simply using it as a crutch to spread hatred and bigotry.
Right, so you just have the same stated goals, support the same policies, and support the same people but you “don’t support him.” Funny how that works.
And “Bob isn’t racist because he has a black friend.”
I never said they were “pretending to be LGBT” I said they’re “pretending to be pro-LGBT” so that they can target and recruit marginalized individuals just like every other cult in existence.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/jan/15/its-difficult-to-survive-chinas-lgbtq-advocates-face-jail-and-forced-confession
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68615477
Why the unquestionable support for these two governments when they quite drastically contradict your stated beliefs and want to imprison you? Let me guess, you’re going to say that this is all “fake news from the radical liberal media” as if you took the words right out of Donald Trump’s mouth?
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