Let me talk about my personal life for a bit. Maybe you’ve never met a worker or maybe you’re too concerned about your moral high ground to take a pause and think about everyday people’s lives.
My sister called me yesterday crying after Trump’s “big beautiful bill” passed the house. She is deathly afraid of how she’ll make ends meet without food stamps or the medicaid that pays for my niece to have Healthcare. So now she worries about being able to feed her daughter, a daughter she had no choice in whether or not to have thanks to state laws.
The idea that there is no conceivable difference is bullshit. Should two full time workers struggle so much? Absolutely not. They should be able to afford to live, and food stamps is a band aid solution. But it keeps people fed. Neither party wants to fix the cause, but only one wants to cut food stamps. Only one wants to end school lunch programs, end abortion, disenfranchise women, and we both know I can keep going.
Yes both are evil, and I’ll concede Guantanamo Bay. It’s sad that I was thinking about the new one in El Salvador and forgot that one. The crimes of this government is astounding.
You’re not even wrong about how the working class need socialism they do. Without a doubt. That’s unfortunately not coming tomorrow, and we are stuck with a binary choice. Unless of course there’s an armed revolution neither of us will be starting so maybe skip the rhetoric or feel free to prove me wrong. When presented with an unsatisfactory binary choice I’ll vote for the one that is less likely to cause my family to go hungry.
I agree the system is broken, and our options are limited. We can take up arms against the state, but that may not go so well. The only option that they won’t execute us for is picking harm reduction at the ballot box. Not satisfactory but at least my niece gets to eat and my sister can sleep a bit easier. We can of course protest, but that has always seemed ineffective as well. I go, but especially in modern day it seems lack luster. If you have any suggestions feel free to give them. But I will always pick the choice that causes the least amount of harm while trying to figure out the path forward to something better.
Not that I particularly value your slander one way or the other, but opening your comment with the insinuation that I am not of the working class and am out of touch with it simply because I disagree with you is baseless character assassination. It brings nothing to the table but the temporary satisfaction of insult, it doesn’t make your point any better aesthetically or logically. If your goal with this comment is to build a bridge, you don’t start doing so by setting the wood on fire.
Either way, I am certainly sorry to hear about your niece. However, any idea that the DNC somehow wouldn’t be just as willing to gut safety nets is wrong. You’re attributing the results of a system meant to represent the Capitalist class to the individual whims of party members, but that’s not the material basis for the state. The State is run by Capitalists, the parties are their limbs and hands.
The basis of the DNC and GOP is in corporate donors, and the revolving door with various industries tied to the US Government. Harris ran an even more right-wing campaign than Biden, why? Why did Trump win 2024? Why do elections go the way they go? Because as workers, the decision is not given to us, the system is pre-selected and gerrymandered precisely so that the will of Capital is always upheld.
The path forward is and always has been revolution. The admission that you mostly just cast your vote and occasionally protest while conditions necessarily decline alongside Capitalism is just kicking the can down the road while the damage gets worse. I can recommend theory if you want, or recommend orgs to join like PSL, but if you stubbornly assert that your only genuine political action can be within the context of the electoral system and you insist on putting all of the blame on the GOP rather than the system at large, you’re going to be watching as conditions get worse for you and your family no matter which party is in power.
All my local PSL does is go to protests and post gofundmes.
Seems a lot like the type of lackluster activism you accused me of
Sure the parent organization has a better message, but they seem generally ineffective. But I guess that’s what the system is designed to do. No real change can occur without revolt. And that will be suppressed with extreme violence.
PSL does work behind the scenes with respect to labor organizing and whatnot, plus what they can actually do is impacted by how many members they have. If you feel they aren’t doing much, you can ask them directly why that is or if there’s more they are doing you don’t know about.
Let me talk about my personal life for a bit. Maybe you’ve never met a worker or maybe you’re too concerned about your moral high ground to take a pause and think about everyday people’s lives.
My sister called me yesterday crying after Trump’s “big beautiful bill” passed the house. She is deathly afraid of how she’ll make ends meet without food stamps or the medicaid that pays for my niece to have Healthcare. So now she worries about being able to feed her daughter, a daughter she had no choice in whether or not to have thanks to state laws.
The idea that there is no conceivable difference is bullshit. Should two full time workers struggle so much? Absolutely not. They should be able to afford to live, and food stamps is a band aid solution. But it keeps people fed. Neither party wants to fix the cause, but only one wants to cut food stamps. Only one wants to end school lunch programs, end abortion, disenfranchise women, and we both know I can keep going.
Yes both are evil, and I’ll concede Guantanamo Bay. It’s sad that I was thinking about the new one in El Salvador and forgot that one. The crimes of this government is astounding.
You’re not even wrong about how the working class need socialism they do. Without a doubt. That’s unfortunately not coming tomorrow, and we are stuck with a binary choice. Unless of course there’s an armed revolution neither of us will be starting so maybe skip the rhetoric or feel free to prove me wrong. When presented with an unsatisfactory binary choice I’ll vote for the one that is less likely to cause my family to go hungry.
I agree the system is broken, and our options are limited. We can take up arms against the state, but that may not go so well. The only option that they won’t execute us for is picking harm reduction at the ballot box. Not satisfactory but at least my niece gets to eat and my sister can sleep a bit easier. We can of course protest, but that has always seemed ineffective as well. I go, but especially in modern day it seems lack luster. If you have any suggestions feel free to give them. But I will always pick the choice that causes the least amount of harm while trying to figure out the path forward to something better.
Not that I particularly value your slander one way or the other, but opening your comment with the insinuation that I am not of the working class and am out of touch with it simply because I disagree with you is baseless character assassination. It brings nothing to the table but the temporary satisfaction of insult, it doesn’t make your point any better aesthetically or logically. If your goal with this comment is to build a bridge, you don’t start doing so by setting the wood on fire.
Either way, I am certainly sorry to hear about your niece. However, any idea that the DNC somehow wouldn’t be just as willing to gut safety nets is wrong. You’re attributing the results of a system meant to represent the Capitalist class to the individual whims of party members, but that’s not the material basis for the state. The State is run by Capitalists, the parties are their limbs and hands.
The basis of the DNC and GOP is in corporate donors, and the revolving door with various industries tied to the US Government. Harris ran an even more right-wing campaign than Biden, why? Why did Trump win 2024? Why do elections go the way they go? Because as workers, the decision is not given to us, the system is pre-selected and gerrymandered precisely so that the will of Capital is always upheld.
The path forward is and always has been revolution. The admission that you mostly just cast your vote and occasionally protest while conditions necessarily decline alongside Capitalism is just kicking the can down the road while the damage gets worse. I can recommend theory if you want, or recommend orgs to join like PSL, but if you stubbornly assert that your only genuine political action can be within the context of the electoral system and you insist on putting all of the blame on the GOP rather than the system at large, you’re going to be watching as conditions get worse for you and your family no matter which party is in power.
All my local PSL does is go to protests and post gofundmes.
Seems a lot like the type of lackluster activism you accused me of
Sure the parent organization has a better message, but they seem generally ineffective. But I guess that’s what the system is designed to do. No real change can occur without revolt. And that will be suppressed with extreme violence.
PSL does work behind the scenes with respect to labor organizing and whatnot, plus what they can actually do is impacted by how many members they have. If you feel they aren’t doing much, you can ask them directly why that is or if there’s more they are doing you don’t know about.
You do make a good point. They could have more going on and maybe just have a weaker advertisement of it. I’ll look deeper into my local chapter
Good! There are also likely other orgs you can check out in your area if PSL isn’t a good fit.