• Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net
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    3 days ago

    I don’t see a problem with having people provide ID to vote

    I just explained it.

    That’s how you make sure they are who they say they are.

    No, the current default is voter registration cards.

    https://www.usa.gov/voter-id

    Basically you go to the election office, or your state’s website. Then you fill out everything that proves who you are (current address, SSN, etc), and they give you a registration card to prove you are who you are.

    Or you register for a mail in ballot, which is basically the same process, but they just know where you live and therefore where to send your ballot.

    This sounds the same, bit the difference is that registration cards are free, and can be done online. Other forms of ID like drivers licenses and passports are not free, require transportation to some office, and take time out of your day during business hours (potentially hours, and potentially requiring time off from work which is an additional barrier).

    They are not the same.

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      3 days ago

      I just explained it.

      Let me rephrase then. My opinion is that having to provide valid ID to vote in an election is reasonable.

      My understanding is they are putting in the step that you need to prove citizenship when registering to vote. By Birth Certificate, US Passport, or naturalization documentation.

      Most people should have their birth certificate. And if they don’t, you can request it from your government, I’ve seen that costs 50 dollars, it should be free. I’m sorry it’s not.

      When you file to change your name, now you also have to file to change your birth certificate, that should be done automatically, I’m sorry it’s not.

      I don’t think the idea, of making sure your voters are citizens and who they say they are, is unreasonable. I’m a bit surprised it already wasn’t the case. But yes, I agree that the whole procedure of registering to vote is sub-optimal.

      I also think it kind of pales in comparison when you think about how the entire system after votes are cast works. If you’re a republican in California or a Democrat in Texas, you might as just not vote. After the opposite party “win the state” your vote no longer matters. That shouldn’t be the case. Each and every vote should have equal worth.

      • Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net
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        2 days ago

        I don’t think the idea, of making sure your voters are citizens and who they say they are, is unreasonable. I’m a bit surprised it already wasn’t the case.

        It is already the case that we verify who people are at the polls. That’s what the voter registration card is.

        Voter registration card => Free, no travel needed, can be done outside of businesshours, no prerequisites that cost money, just need to know your information

        Drivers license => Money, travel, time during business hours

        Passport => same as previous

        They want to move us off of the system that’s already working to verify identity with no barriers to entry, to one that does have barriers to entry.

        I also think it kind of pales in comparison when you think about how the entire system after votes are cast works. If you’re a republican in California or a Democrat in Texas, you might as just not vote. After the opposite party “win the state” your vote no longer matters. That shouldn’t be the case. Each and every vote should have equal worth.

        I agree, it’s fucked up and planely apparent that it’s a failure even on paper.

        However it is still worth voting in every election, aa there are local positions on the ballot every time, and those have a much better chance of being swayed away from the lunatics in the GOP. And that’s especially the case if it’s a city.

        The whole system we have for elections is fucked, the least we can do is not make it more fucked by putting up more barriers to entry.