Here in SK right now (yes it’s 4:30am), everyone’s against it but no one knows the data. Once people see the data they’re like “oh”.
South Korea has an inherent hatred for Japan, so this isn’t surprising at all.
The Japanese did some pretty radical things during the occupation. It’s interesting to see the ripple effects of these policies so far into the future.
Japan also never apologised and pretends they did nothing wrong.
Japan has actually apologized several times, and then immediately declared they had nothing to apologize for. Which IMHO is worse.
Are they afraid of reparations or something? I don’t understand. Like, Canada apologized to the native americans and it wasn’t an expensive or embarassing process. I won’t say native folks were made whole from the process, but it was a formal acknowledgement. Any idea what the resistance is?
Like, Canada apologized to the native americans and it wasn’t an expensive or embarassing process.
That’s precisely the point. Apologizing is cheap, actually working with Indigenous communities, upholding their sovereignty to their ancestral lands, actively helping them heal from the multi generation wide effects of what they were forced to go through, listening to them and acting on their feedback, and actually giving them rights in general is expensive, which is why we haven’t done that. We basically said “sorry aboot that genocide eh?” And unilaterally declared the Indigenous rights issue solved.
I hope you didn’t get the wrong impression of how I view Truth and Reconciliation. All I’m saying is that the government acknowledged some of their crimes.
The Japanese state, won’t even do that for the Koreans.
It’s more like a wound that never healed than just ripples - early South Korean leaders were people who had formerly collaborated with the Japanese, and it showed in the way they treated their people. It’s only relatively recently that South Korea became what anyone would call a liberal democracy.
Korea has an inherent hatred for Japan
As we should. The Japanese government has been jovially profiteering off of Korea since they annexed and “colonized” the peninsula all the way to well after the Korean War where they used the genocidal massacre of Koreans in the bloody brothers war to jump-start their economy out of their post-war devastation.
I keep hearing about this, but haven’t delved into it.
Usually when they do a water release like this, or there’s potential for contamination to interact with humans in other matricies, such as metals on mines being uptaken in berries and plants used in traditional use (consumption by first Nations), they will do a Human Health and Environment Risk Assessment (HHERA).
These HHERAs look at multiple exposure pathways and consider rates and likelihood of exposure. I find it hard to think that they didn’t do this step with something as dangerous as treated waste water from a nuclear plant.
The plan was reviewed, and tested by, the UN and by the International Atomic Energy Agency and found to be very safe. Here’san article that briefly talks about it.
And this is exactly what I suspected. So the comment from China wilfully ignored this, and the protests in South Korea probably did not take this into account.
I had a feeling this was just run of the mill procedure that’s been propped up to appear unsafe by various interest groups.
China’s reaction is purely political, not science.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
SEOUL, Aug 26 (Reuters) - Protesters gathered in the capital of South Korea on Saturday to demand that the government take steps to avoid what they fear is a looming disaster from Japan’s release of treated radioactive water from the Fukushima nuclear power plant.
Japan began dumping the water from the plant north of Tokyo into the sea on Thursday despite objections both at home and abroad from fishing communities and others worried about the environmental impact.
“We will not be immediately seeing disasters like detecting radioactive materials in seafood but it seems inevitable that this discharge would pose a risk to the local fishing industry and the government needs to come up with solutions,” said Choi Kyoungsook of the Korea Radiation Watch group that organised the rally.
Japan and scientific organisations say the water, distilled after being contaminated by contact with fuel rods when the reactor was destroyed in a 2011 earthquake and tsunami, is safe.
Japan’s fisheries agency said on Saturday that fish tested in waters around the plant did not contain detectable levels of tritium, Kyodo news service reported.
Japan says it needs to start releasing the water as storage tanks holding about 1.3 million metric tons of it - enough to fill 500 Olympic-sized swimming pools - are full.
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The country was nuked twice and hit with one of the worst nuclear disasters ever. I’m gonna go ahead and trust them with that water
For more information on this subject, check out Bong Joon Ho’s 2006 documentary The Host.
How far do they dump it from the coast?
0km from Fukushima’s coast, so about 500km from South Korea
They aren’t dumping it. They dug miles of caves below the sea floor and are pumping the filtered water into the caves slowly over the span of decades. That’s why this whole thing is very dumb. Japan is taking enormous measures to do this safely.
This whole thing would legitimately be the stupidest story of the decade in any decade where Donald Trump isn’t making daily headlines.
Dumping is illegal where I live, you’ll get a fine ;)
Jokes aside, does anyone with a chemistry/physics background know of a technical solution/alternative to dumping? I suspect Japan would not dump nuclear waste in their domestic waters if they could avoid it.
They have treated the waste water, so it isn’t dumping. The water is well below the recommended parameters for releasing water.
There is nothing wrong with this. People are just freaking out because its “nuclear waste”, which causes people to be irrational.
Decades and decades of fossil fuel company propaganda against nuclear is a helluva drug
Nuclear bad! Solar just around the corner! Ignore current emissions!
Solar?! Too expensive!! And it’s dark for half the day everyday! We need windd!!! Let’s continue to fight about stupid shit and ignore our emissions.
Idk why the downvotes, I’m actually curious about this. Do you know how the waste is treated? I have a some education in radioactive materials and it doesn’t seem like an easy problem to solve.
If you have some “education about radioactive materials” you’d know that the half-life of tritium is 12.5years and that it is a beta emitter. This type of radiation isn’t harmful unless ingested. You would also know that the water has been diluted to safe levels before being released in the ocean, and even after that dilution, it will also not be released all at once, further reducing the chance of re-concentration and making radiation poisoning impossible. Finally since this is tritium we are talking about it, it isn’t a bio-accumlator and if you did drink too much tritated water, the treatment would be to drink an increased amount of tap water.
Since you are still just “asking questions,” about how Tritrated water is “treated” it kind of sounds like you don’t actually know about radioactive materials at all otherwise you would know about H3, i.e. tritium and wouldn’t be concerned about “treatment” only the concentration of the released water.
So nasty!
Cause you deserve it. You lie about your background and act as if you are “just asking questions” when in reality all you are doing to other people is saying “I’m an expert and treating this waste is impossible so how are they doing it”.
Still with the nasty…
No one deserves to be spoken to that way. Do better.
I’m educated enough to know it’s not necessarily a trivial process. The “treating waste is impossible” schtick are your words, not mine.
Let me get it straight. You’re telling us that:
- beta emitters aren’t so bad
- the treatment process (which is what I asked about) is dilution
Is that right? Dilution is the only “treatment” applied before discharge?
They settle out all of the heavier radioactive elements. They then dilute the remaining heavy water with additional water to drive the level of tritium to an acceptable level. It is then dumped into the ocean and rapidly mixes with the surrounding seawater. If you were to look at a map of ocean currents you’d see generally where it would go from there, but it doesn’t really matter because tritium isn’t really a significant concern. If they were dumping significant quantities of cobalt 60 you should care more, but they aren’t, so you shouldn’t.
I’m not the person that talked to you previously dumbo
The radioactive component is mostly tritium. As long as they get almost all of the heavy radioactive elements, the hydrogen isotopes are basically harmless in the quantities we’re talking about here. The ocean is a very, very big place.
If Americans think it’s ok, how about we grab a few tankers and dump it off the California coast?
Two-faced fucks.
Edit: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abc1507
The water contains traces of other non-tritium radioactive isotopes. These do bioaccumulate.
It’s not about america it’s about understanding chemistry.
Yeah I’m not sure where Amercia factors into a protest in South Korea, about Japan, as reported on by a journalism company based in the UK.
Because everything is always America’s fault
Generally, the people on these forums are American. It’s white people saying that the opinion of POC don’t matter because they’re not white.
Then y’all shouldn’t have a problem with it, right?
Yet, every single response has been antagonistic because nobody wants this waste dumped near them.
This water? I wouldn’t be concerned with at all. I’d gladly fill a swimming pool with it and shine some UV lights on it and throw a pool party. It would be approximately as dangerous as drinking from uranium glass. I wouldn’t recommend drinking large quantities of the water, much like I would recommend with all pool water, but otherwise it doesn’t matter.
Per this source: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abc1507
The treated water contains traces of other radioactive elements that do bioaccumulate. While the water alone is below the legal food limit, that can’t be considered as a fair limit due to bioaccumulation of heavier radioactive isotopes.
How about linking to a source that doesn’t have a 30 to 15 dollar paywall for non-members? Or at the very least posting the full study instead of straight to the paywall that most people can’t afford.
The paper is also from 2020 so it’s also missing the most recent information and context in regards to the water being diluted and sent out.
Edit: a user directed me to where I could find the full study, and it can be found here Ultimately the study says there should be additional research into the isotopes found within the tanks beyond the tritium found in them.
I definitely agree additional studying should be done, but even then the article doesn’t disagree with releasing the tanks. Instead they would rather wait until the isotopes are more decayed. There is however a risk of tank breach due to possible natural disasters such as tsunamis or earthquakes that would allow these isotopes to be release in a more potent concentration.
So the option is to either release it in lower concentration and diluted water is specific amounts, or hold on to it and hope the tanks don’t breach for 60 years.
the study is available in full on sci-hub
The risk exposure isn’t changed, though. The plan is to slowly release it for decades… So if there’s natural disaster, the risk is still there.
It’s Tepco wanting to preserve their bottom line at the cost of human health. Simple as that.
My bad - FWIW, Science is considered to be very reputable and should be accessible from most libraries.
They filtered out the majority of the other bio-accumulating isotopes. “Trace amounts” of isotopes exist in every single element independent of nuclear power plants.
But the traces in the wastewater are fairly high, falling just below legal food limits (ignoring that bioaccumulation by definition accumulates toxins from the water into animals).
Where are you reading that? I saw that the heavy metals were all filtered out and this discharge is for the Tritated Water only, with “trace” amounts of the heavy metals, meaning what you would find in normal salt water.
WTF are you on about?
Yeah. Okay, sounds good.
I thought the standing order was to blame Canada for everything?
Quite literally couldn’t care less
That would probably be better, actually. That would spread any bad stuff out more than just releasing it from a point source near the coast. But I think the emissions from the tankers would outweigh the lessened environmental impact.
