Summary

Following Kamala Harris’s unexpected defeat, Democratic leaders are scrutinizing their party’s failures, particularly with working-class voters.

Figures like Bernie Sanders, Chris Murphy, and Ro Khanna argue the party lacks a strong economic message, especially for those frustrated with stagnant mobility and neoliberal policies.

Sanders emphasized Democrats’ disconnect from working-class concerns, while Murphy criticized the party’s unwillingness to challenge wealthy interests.

DNC Chair Jaime Harrison announced he won’t seek re-election, leaving the party’s leadership in flux as Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries prepare to assume top roles amid a Republican resurgence.

  • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    ·
    2 days ago

    Murphy starts off saying we should abandon neoliberalism which is good.

    The left has never fully grappled with the wreckage of fifty years of neoliberalism, which has left legions of Americans adrift as local places are hollowed out, rapacious profit seeking cannibalizes the common good, and unchecked new technology separates and isolates us.

    But then finished by uncritically supporting men’s rights, abandoning social issues, and abandoning action on climate change.

    But here’s the thing - then you need to let people into the tent who aren’t 100% on board with us on every social and cultural issue, or issues like guns or climate.

    Listen to poor and rural people, men in crisis. Don’t decide for them.

    It fits the description to a T. We don’t have time for 50% or 0% action on climate change. The window to avert key tipping points that will have catastrophic consequences for the Earth’s climate is now.

    As a trans person, I am not interested in 50% or 0% of my rights. I would like my right to exist, 100% of the time.

    We should push back on some of the more fringe men’s rights groups. No one is entitled to a state mandated girlfriend. But it is probably worth understanding how patriarchy harms men because inequality harms us all.

    • BobQuixote@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      21 hours ago

      On climate:

      But here’s the thing - then you need to let people into the tent who aren’t 100% on board with us on every social and cultural issue, or issues like guns or climate.

      He doesn’t say anything else on climate, and this is not “abandoning action on climate change.” The people already in the tent don’t agree on everything, and they have not “abandoned action” because of it.

      On men’s rights:

      Meanwhile, men tumble into a different kind of identity crisis, as the patriarchy, society’s primary organizing paradigm for centuries, rightly crashes. The right pushes an alluring dial back. The left says “get over it”. Again, a refusal to listen/offer responsible solutions.

      This is not “uncritically supporting men’s rights.”

      But it is probably worth understanding how patriarchy harms men because inequality harms us all.

      Sure, if that’s how you need to frame it to fit your worldview go ahead. Just please try to find agreement when feminist framing is not used, because it usually won’t be.

      • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        13 hours ago

        He doesn’t say anything else on climate, and this is not “abandoning action on climate change.” The people already in the tent don’t agree on everything, and they have not “abandoned action” because of it.

        The people who don’t agree with climate change don’t believe it exists.

        https://www.axios.com/2024/11/06/trump-victory-sweeping-climate-consequences

        This is not “uncritically supporting men’s rights.”

        Your argument is focusing on the bait and ignoring the switch.

        Listen to poor and rural people, men in crisis. Don’t decide for them.

        We are listening to them. This is what they are saying.

        This time around, one of the attack lines is “your body, my choice.”

        https://www.vox.com/politics/384792/your-body-my-choice-maga-gender-election

        Sure, if that’s how you need to frame it to fit your worldview go ahead. Just please try to find agreement when feminist framing is not used, because it usually won’t be.

        That’s how we’re framing it. If that’s not appealing to some people, there’s a mainstream fascist political party they can join. We don’t need two mainstream fascist parties.

        By the way, the worldview is that all people are equal. And that inequality harms us all, but some people are harmed more than others. People on the left have no interest in a worldview where women are second class citizens.

        • BobQuixote@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          6 hours ago

          The people who don’t agree with climate change don’t believe it exists.

          Uh huh. Are you only able to cooperate with people who agree with you in every way?

          Your argument is focusing on the bait and ignoring the switch.

          And yours is going out of its way to manufacture enemies.

          That’s how we’re framing it.

          Again, sure. Not worth fighting over the phrasing.

          • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            6 hours ago

            Uh huh. Are you only able to cooperate with people who agree with you in every way?

            We should not cooperate with fascists especially when they don’t believe in climate change. It would be a waste of time since they want to kill us and want to pollute as much as possible.

            And yours is going out of its way to manufacture enemies.

            My argument didn’t tell the MAGA movement to be fascists. A progressive and socialist populist movement could rally most people without needing for anyone to hate minority groups or disregard scientific consensus.

            Again, sure. Not worth fighting over the phrasing.

            Good, so you agree then? We should move the Democratic Party to the left. Democrats should champion systemic change and wealth redistribution. edit: typo

            • BobQuixote@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              46 minutes ago

              We should not cooperate with fascists especially when they don’t believe in climate change.

              Not believing in climate change does not make someone a fascist. Murphy was talking about accepting people who don’t want to be aligned with MAGA. That is plainly a strategic imperative.

              I agree that we need to watch out for cryptofascists, but your meter is too sensitive.

              Similarly, men’s concerns about loneliness etc. are worth hearing out. I wouldn’t say that has much at all to do with “rights,” though.

              Good, so you agree then?

              As far as I can tell, yes. I suspect I would be more hands-off about correcting some harms, but I strongly agree with no second class of citizens.

              We should move the Democratic Party to the left. Democrats should champion systemic change and wealth redistribution.

              I don’t object. I’m an ex-Republican long since committed to riding the Democratic wagon wherever it goes. I would take FDR 2.0 if that’s what can defeat MAGA, but I don’t have confidence that it’s a good approach. I do think the wealth/income gap is a threat to liberty and stability.

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      2 days ago

      Exactly. Trans rights, radical climate solutions, but also yeah we need to work with young men to help them feel less isolated and vulnerable to the far right. We need to be talking with rural people as people not just over them