On election night, as the results looked to be in Trump’s favor, the baseless conspiracy theories about fraud began tapering off.
On election night, as the results looked to be in Trump’s favor, the baseless conspiracy theories about fraud began tapering off.
In the last few months, he claimed that “we have all the votes we need”, and his followers didn’t need to vote anymore, they were going to win. I immediately thought he meant they were going to cheat. I can’t find the place he said this, it was at a rally. It’s not the same as his comment that he made to a bunch of christians that said they won’t have to vote again in the future because they were going to “fix it”. This was after that. This guy is a lifelong con man, he lies and cheats. Somehow I believe he did that in this election. I hope they find out he paid for votes because that’s just his style.
Ah, so now it’s time for baseless accusations from our side, yes?
As long as there is no proof this is as much a conspiration theory as the the bullshit the right was spewing about in 2020.
Ah yes, it’s exactly the same with no differences, surely Trump isn’t known to be a cheat and a liar from every single other interaction he’s ever had with a human being. Surely he hasn’t stated publicly his intentions to cheat the election. No, he’s a perfect human being and we’re all just shouting about voter fraud because we’re stupid.
Not what I said.
I think it need more than one person to cheat on this scale, no?
He hasn’t. He said they need no more votes. You are taking thins one thing he said and pretending it’s “intention to cheat the election.”. Which is simply not true. It could also mean that he is sure he will win, because he thinks he has got all the states he needs on his side. I’m sure there are more interpretations. But that’s all it is.
Never said that.
Never said that. Your angry, hurt, what ever. Emotional. And I understand that. I’m absolutely devasted by this shot. And Isee how one might jump to conspiracy thinking in such a situation. I just don’t think it helps, so I’ll call it what it is. Not to attack you, as a person, or to call you names. Just because I don’t think it’s helpful.
I think we (as in “the left”) should try to base our opinions on facts and not repeat the shit the right is doing all the tame growing baseless accusations around.
That’s fair, and I’m sorry to have been an asshole about it. I deserve that. However, conspiracy thinking or no, I think it’s extremely valid to be suspicious of these results. There are quite a lot of factors at play here that can cast what I consider to be reasonable doubt over this whole situation.
Sure, don’t jump right to conspiracy theories off the bat, fair enough. But also don’t be blind to what is in front of us. Things don’t add up here in a way that makes sense to me. In particular, I question the fact that nearly 1 in 2 Latino voters voted to deport themselves and their families, and I find it difficult to believe that 15+ million other voters who showed up to vote for Joe Biden, didn’t show up to vote for Harris. It was all the same threat, magnified, with a much more palatable upside than the first time and a much more clear view of the alternative. These people should have been, and by all accounts were, even more motivated than in 2020. This is the most politicized election we’ve had in over a century, nobody didn’t hear about this.
The whole thing just stinks. It stinks all to hell and I think I’m justified in believing the conservatives pulled off a successful steal this time just like they’ve been promising to, not least of which is because by the time I woke up after election night everyone had already decided none of the Dems showed up and Trump had won, when according to gov websites the final vote tally and certification isn’t even until mid December. I’ve never seen election results get called so early that I can remember. I saw three different news stories about conservatives setting ballot boxes on fire. Our gerrymandering maps are so bad they can be confused for TV static from a distance. Millions of people had their voting registration purged by state level conservatives weeks or days before the election.
I think a little bit of suspicion surrounding the results is beyond justified.
My wife literally just told me this today. Apparently he said it multiple times - someone made a supercut. I haven’t seen it yet myself.