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    7 months ago

    221 days until the next U.S. presidential election

    Can Ukraine hold on that long?

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          Not certain if trolling or just unfamiliar, but Republicans politicians are doing what they can to not get in Russia’s way or doing things that benefit Russia. For instance, Republicans aren’t really supporting providing additional funding to Ukraine. Republicans have also used an FBI informant who was bribed by Russia as evidence to try to impeach Joe Biden.

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            7 months ago

            I dont support Russia, but am vehemently against aid to Ukraine for a variety of reasons. American should have never been involved in any of it, just like with Isreal.

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              As it is now, Russia controlling as much oil as they do gives them power over us, them controlling Ukraine will also help them affect food prices as well as just encouraging them to continue to attack their enemies. Europe has significant reason to jump to prevent Russia’s advancement, European countries being our allies is another reason to stop Russia’s push into Europe.

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                Sorry, but these are just propaganda talking points. Russia has very little power over the western nations, and they were never going to invade the rest of Europe. The whole war was completely avoidable, but that is what the government and media will conveniently not mention. The whole narrative is an objective pile of bullshit.

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                  Unless you have any kind of proof that this is all a smokescreen and propaganda for a more nefarious plot, we’re going to continue to listen to the unanimous Western sources including live on the ground video footage and first hand accounts that Russia is illegally invading Ukraine. But also, we’re 2 years into this war. You’re way too late to be on Lemmy peddling your misinformation.

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                  Power over Western nations may have been a strong word, but they do have influence. We don’t know their plan, but we can look at past trends: they’ve attacked Georgia, they’ve attacked and controlled Crimea, they’re attacking and controlling parts of Ukraine. Not fighting Russia hasn’t stopped Russia, so with Russia now at war with Ukraine, stopping them there seems like a necessity. Maybe now they’ll learn that imperialism is dead, and looked badly on by other nations. They shouldn’t be rewarded for this bad behavior against our allies.

                  You’re right, the war could have been avoided, but Russia decided not to avoid war. All they need to do is leave ukraine and it will stop, but they won’t.

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              Russia invaded Ukraine on false pretexts with the intent to use military action to overthrow a democratically elected government after their last attempt at coup/puppet government failed when their patsy fled the country after his failed attempt.

              After the US failed to act in 2014 despite evidence of Russia starting proxy wars against Ukraine and annexing land illegally, and further muddied by Trump’s attempts to withhold defense aid packages he was obligated by law to deliver.

              So yes, US involvement has been justified and Ukraine has not only been happy for the assistance but requested more to ensure their freedom and prosperity doesn’t vanish tomorrow with Putin’s intent to rape the entire country.

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                7 months ago

                How is the US justified to meddle in the politics of countries on the other side of the planet? What would the US do if china was giving money to Mexico or Cuba?

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                  Because Ukraine asked.

                  What would be the problem with China giving money to Cuba and Mexico?

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                    What would be the problem with China giving money to Cuba and Mexico?

                    The problem is that the US would not allow it. Every country is going to ask for aid or alliance, why does that mean that we should help or join in alliance with them?

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                  Because they do the right thing this time. What is wrong with helping a country defend itself from an agressor? I know the US does and has done shitty things, that does not mean that everything the US does is bad.

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          Literally the entire GOP with standouts like Greene going far as to say we should cut all aid to Ukraine and shift to helping Russia. The entire right wing of our government took the red too literally and jumped in bed with former Soviet agents for a pocket full of rubles.

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            What if cutting all aid to Ukraine was actually a net benefit to the Ukrainian people?

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              What if chattel slavery was actually net benefit for black people because they got to leave Africa and learn useful skills?

              That’s what you sound like with your ‘maybe Ukrainians would be better off under Vladimir Putin’s control’ rhetorical word poop.

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                False equivalence. Literally Ukraine would have been better off if the west had not given them any money at all. The war would have been over and Ukraine would have more territory and more living people. And that doesnt even get into if the war was entirely preventable to start with. Ukraine is about to lose the war and all you guys want to do is give them more money so more ukrainians die.

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                  Should every country just surrender to aggressors, only those that require aid to defend themselves or some other criteria? This seems like a call for any small state to just give up when a conqueror is at their door ready to oppress them, is that what you believe?

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                    No they shouldnt surrender, but should the US fund every war, including the ones we passively or actively instigate? Should we give money to a country to fight when it makes their situation worse, and just end up with more dead people?

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                  Ukraine would have more territory

                  How would Ukraine have more territory when the reason Putin said he needed to invade was to take territory away from Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians?

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                    Because they would have had a peace deal back in 2022, and that peace deal was with more territory than Ukraine currently has, and Ukraine was also in a better negotiating position.

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                  Good points, let’s change Ukraine to Ireland and Russia to the British Empire and see if we still think they’re good points.

                  … Oh, oh god…

                  It seems we’ve BOTH made a huge mistake and inadvertently thought imperialism is good just because it had a Russian accent. How embarrassing for the both of us.

                  I’m glad we’ve both learned from this horrible accident and will no longer support imperial ambitions just because it’s being done by a non-US ally.

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      Five years? They need $100 billion at least monthly! It’s ridiculous the way Republicans treat these innocent people