• CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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    7 months ago

    What if cutting all aid to Ukraine was actually a net benefit to the Ukrainian people?

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      7 months ago

      What if chattel slavery was actually net benefit for black people because they got to leave Africa and learn useful skills?

      That’s what you sound like with your ‘maybe Ukrainians would be better off under Vladimir Putin’s control’ rhetorical word poop.

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        7 months ago

        False equivalence. Literally Ukraine would have been better off if the west had not given them any money at all. The war would have been over and Ukraine would have more territory and more living people. And that doesnt even get into if the war was entirely preventable to start with. Ukraine is about to lose the war and all you guys want to do is give them more money so more ukrainians die.

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          7 months ago

          Should every country just surrender to aggressors, only those that require aid to defend themselves or some other criteria? This seems like a call for any small state to just give up when a conqueror is at their door ready to oppress them, is that what you believe?

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            7 months ago

            No they shouldnt surrender, but should the US fund every war, including the ones we passively or actively instigate? Should we give money to a country to fight when it makes their situation worse, and just end up with more dead people?

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          7 months ago

          Ukraine would have more territory

          How would Ukraine have more territory when the reason Putin said he needed to invade was to take territory away from Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians?

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          7 months ago

          Good points, let’s change Ukraine to Ireland and Russia to the British Empire and see if we still think they’re good points.

          … Oh, oh god…

          It seems we’ve BOTH made a huge mistake and inadvertently thought imperialism is good just because it had a Russian accent. How embarrassing for the both of us.

          I’m glad we’ve both learned from this horrible accident and will no longer support imperial ambitions just because it’s being done by a non-US ally.

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                7 months ago

                Please quote my “going to the mat in support of russian imperialism” comments. Direct quotes only.

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                  7 months ago

                  Here you go:

                  Literally Ukraine would have been better off if the west had not given them any money at all. The war would have been over and Ukraine would have more territory and more living people. And that doesnt even get into if the war was entirely preventable to start with.

                  If Ukraine would just surrender this would all be over. If Ukraine hadn’t forced Russia to invade then none of this would have ever happened. Ukraine would benefit from becoming part of Russia by having more territory and a larger population. How else can your comment be construed?

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                    7 months ago

                    That is obviously not support for russian imperialism, its support in not having ukrainians dying.

                    And then you made a bunch of lame strawman arguments. Nice work!