I don’t think that’s actually what the problem is. The historical norm appears to be that even extremely brutal wars do not on their own radicalize the defeated population. Look at eastern Europe after World War II - the Soviet Union was quickly able to subjugate it despite having given so many people there ample reason to hate Soviet rule. A more recent example is Putin’s victory against an Islamist insurgency in Chechnya.
My own impression is that radical Islamism causes wars, rather than the other way around (although I acknowledge that those wars create a feedback loop of more radicalization).
Extremely brutal wars are one thing. Genocide is another. Islam does value martyrdom and fighting against oppression, but you still need said oppression.
Islam values martyrdom for the sake of spreading Islam. Fight against oppression is historically not at all what Islam is about - rather the opposite. How do you think Palestinians ended up becoming Muslim? This religion was brought to them by the sword.
The historical norm appears to be that even extremely brutal wars do not on their own radicalize the defeated population.
What about Germany after WW1?
Maybe you’re right about wars overall but I think it’s quite different if innocent people were murdered en masse in an open air prison. The only way to stop the continued suffering is to overthrow the oppressor.
That would require an independent Palestinian state but somehow that doesn’t seem likely.
How many innocents do you think would die if the Israeli state would cease to exist? On October 7, the IDF was confused and absent for just a few hours and look how Palestinian terrorists used this situation. Now imagine this at a national scale.
I don’t think that’s actually what the problem is. The historical norm appears to be that even extremely brutal wars do not on their own radicalize the defeated population. Look at eastern Europe after World War II - the Soviet Union was quickly able to subjugate it despite having given so many people there ample reason to hate Soviet rule. A more recent example is Putin’s victory against an Islamist insurgency in Chechnya.
My own impression is that radical Islamism causes wars, rather than the other way around (although I acknowledge that those wars create a feedback loop of more radicalization).
Extremely brutal wars are one thing. Genocide is another. Islam does value martyrdom and fighting against oppression, but you still need said oppression.
Islam values martyrdom for the sake of spreading Islam. Fight against oppression is historically not at all what Islam is about - rather the opposite. How do you think Palestinians ended up becoming Muslim? This religion was brought to them by the sword.
The irony trap in being anti-religious is that one tends to overestimate the power of faith.
What about Germany after WW1?
Maybe you’re right about wars overall but I think it’s quite different if innocent people were murdered en masse in an open air prison. The only way to stop the continued suffering is to overthrow the oppressor.
That would require an independent Palestinian state but somehow that doesn’t seem likely.
How many innocents do you think would die if the Israeli state would cease to exist? On October 7, the IDF was confused and absent for just a few hours and look how Palestinian terrorists used this situation. Now imagine this at a national scale.
Didn’t suggest that.