What I saw a lot of on Lemmy was democrat supporters and voters insisting that people will just hold their nose and vote for Harris and accusing anybody angry about the ongoing genocide of either supporting Trump or playing into the hands of Russia.

Any statement posted on Lemmy is directed at the voters, not the leadership, and assuming otherwise is arguing in bad faith.

Did I do that? Very confused.

The voters had the opportunity to stop Trump. They didn’t.

Ah yes, it’s all the voters’ fault.

If only the DNC had any power at all in this situation or ability to influence the actions of voters…

Okay, so I would be equally justified in saying: Liberals, this is what you get when you assume people must vote for you.

THANK YOU. This far down the road and they’re still ignoring this aspect.

Yes protest voters choosing to make things worse for Palestine and everyone in the US is stupid.

AND liberals and especially the party leadership made a huge miscalculation in assuming everyone would vote for “not Trump.”

Both contributed to the loss. Which is more to blame? There’s a discussion to be had there but imo the overall electoral strategy is a much bigger issue than a handful of stupid people who didn’t vote or voted Trump over this one particular issue

You don’t need a cease fire to not attack unarmed aid ships. You just need a single fucking ounce of morality or respect for international law.

We needed to act with urgency when this horror started over a year ago. We failed.

But you know, the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second best time is now.

We still won’t do it though.

As individuals, all we can do is boycott Israel, protest our own governments’ inaction and if you ever see Netanyahu, spit in the bastard’s face.

No it’s fine! I think if you stick you fingers in your ears and shout “project fear!” a few times into the mirror you will summon the spirit of Boris Johnson to get brexit done and give you £350 million a week for the NHS

I would absolutely not travel to America while Trump is in power. I’ve wanted to visit again since his first term, but fuck the extra border hassle (+ now the risk of getting sent to gitmo or El Salvador or god knows where for criticizing dear leader) and also fuck supporting an economy he will take credit for.

I feel bad for all the businesses who did nothing wrong. But we live in capitalism and I can’t vote/protest there so 🤷‍♂️

If you get “detained” for no crime, you have been taken hostage. The media refusing to call them what they are is part of the problem

And these hostages are being tortured:

“I am talking about clubbing, being beaten with rifle butts and being attacked by dogs. There was little to no food, no personal hygiene, no soap inside the cells, no water, no toilet, no toilet paper … I saw people who were dying there … I was beaten so badly I couldn’t use my legs or walk. No day passes without torture.”

That’s a bad thing though, right? So what difference does it make to this story?

Waking up to a public call for ethnic cleansing. This is going to be a long four years

“He told me he is not anti-vaccine. He is pro-vaccine safety, which strikes me as a rational position to take,” Senator John Cornyn told Politico.

This is the oldest trick in the book. “No I’m not anti-vaccine, I’m pro safe vaccines!” Then proceeds to explain how none are “safe” and we “need more research”

The author seems to think that if we’re mad about the Nazi salute we aren’t mad about the other stuff. Like does saying “yes it was obviously a Nazi salute you dumb fuck” stop me from standing up for people’s rights or showing courage when it’s needed? Of course not.

This is what happens to commentators when they have to say something that seems smart but actually have no point to make. The salute is a wake up call for the unengaged and an easy way to see what is really happening. But that doesn’t make for a holier than thou think piece so the author doesn’t give a shit.

Debating it is pointless though. Just show people the video and if they are still connected to reality at all there is no discussion needed.

Interesting link! Weird takeaway though. For one, it’s 67% consistently voting or not, 2/3 vs 4/5 is a big difference. Second, look at 2020. People who didn’t usually vote were most likely to vote then and they swayed dem. Probably because Trump was bad enough to make them more passionate about voting.

This shows that about a third of voters are intermittent and therefore available if people get them excited enough. I’m not saying it’s a good thing (it’s not), I’m just saying it’s a thing. Acting like they’re not important is turning your back on the people who could ultimately sway elections.

And that’s before we think about how many of the consistent non voters are apathetic vs how many just don’t have anyone they feel represents them.

The people who didn’t participate are roughly those who never do.

2020:

Biden - 81.2 million

Trump - 74.2 million

2024:

Harris: 75 million

Trump: 77.3 million

Even if we assume Trump took all 3 million extra votes from Biden’s 2020 voters, there are still 3 million Biden 2020 voters who didn’t turn out for Harris. They cared enough to vote against Trump the 2nd time, just not this time.

Anyway, you are right in the sense that those few million likely wouldn’t have tipped the election anyway. You are dead wrong that they don’t matter. Completely counterproductive lesson to take from the election

How many million people didn’t vote? And how many million would Harris have needed?

Not voting is a choice and clearly it can be an important one. Their voices exist you just don’t seem to want to listen to what they’re saying.

Ironically for the old racist man we now have less white Europeans immigrants as before and more from Africa and India regions, at least in the area I live. I love it how it’s backfired on him.

Yes! I really tried to explain this to people. One guy I saw on the news said he was voting Brexit to “get the Muslims out,” apparently completely unaware of how batshit insane it is to leave the European Union to reduce the number of non European people in Britain.

My future, my son’s future, all now shaped in a more restrictive way because of people’s views like this.

Yeah it fucking sucks. I left before the official Brexit date, in a year or two I will hopefully have an EU citizenship again. Most of my friends couldn’t have really done that so easily

More than 52% of British people in 2016 and still more than many now, I bet. I always supported Remain but before I voted I wanted to do my due diligence and re-evaluate. It took googling “brexit pros and cons” and all of 5 minutes reading a BBC infographic to confirm that basically everything the leave campaign said was completely and utterly wrong.

The fact that most people still voted for it despite the obvious lies was way more disappointing to me than the racism. Back then I thought better of people.

“Those kids aren’t going to kill themselves” - Joe Biden, probably

All the hasbara money in the world cannot wash the blood from their hands

You don’t know how I voted.

It’s not an issue, they can just make it up. You see, everyone is stupid when you imagine that they have a stupid position and ignore any evidence to the contrary.

In that spirit, I’m pretty sure the person you’re talking to just took a shit on their ballot. So really this is all their fault.

Hilarious. Why do a less committed version of the same shitty politics as the other party? Who the fuck is this going to win over? Did you miss what happened in November?

I would ask if they were high but that would encourage creativity and awaken any remaining embers of idealism so it can’t be the case.

Just leaving this here for no particular reason https://youtu.be/3cdqQ2BdgOA?si=eDv9_1tiy_bvlFCJ