A senior figure in the Ukrainian defence industry told New Scientist that a test took place two years ago involving fully autonomous drones set to destroy anything in a given area, with confirmed casualties
No disagreement there, maybe Ukraine should fight their own battles though and not commit horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity to do so? Maybe Ukraine shouldn’t introduce autonomous murder drones that are objectively incapable of making the required determinations in the Geneva Convention regarding legitimate military targets? Maybe Ukraine shouldn’t give people a reason to hate it when they have such good PR from Russia’s illegal invasion?
No, I fully understood what you were trying to say. I am disagreeing and pointing out that everything you said remains irrelevant as it could literally all be stopped if Russia would get the fuck out of Ukraine.
Man, I’m on board with calling Ukraine out for their war crimes, as anyone should be called out, who does so.
But now you’re just making an ass of yourself.
That’s as false an equivalence as it gets. Russia is objectively the aggressor in this conflict, while a Jewish “invasion” into Gemany didn’t exist. Not even as an antisemitic fantasy.
I’m not even opposed to making Nazi comparisons, but they better be at least somewhat valid.
False equivalence. Jews belonged where they were, and were part of the german population. In addition, no civilians were injured or targeted. Thus there are no war crimes. I’m not saying I am a fan of even the idea of removing people from killing people, but as the laws are currently written, there is no war crime. War crime is a very specific serious, and well defined thing. Calling things we don’t like a war crime dilutes and weakens the very term.
In addition, no civilians were injured or targeted. Thus there are no war crimes.
We literally cannot know that by the way. These things do not have the processing power to tell the difference between a valid combatant, a surrendered combatant, an unarmed medic, or even someone that happens to be just wearing camo to, you know, not be shot during a war.
If a fire fighter breaks into your house to put out a fire and your autonomous ceiling turret shreds them who’s at fault?
Because autonomous drone systems don’t care about friend or foe, no AI model is close to good enough for that with all the processing power in the world, much less what can be shoved in any type of airborne drone.
So this is akin to booby trapping your house, leaving your house, and then assuming anyone killed by your trap was a bad guy.
Again, because you fucks don’t read RUSSIA IS THE BAD GUY, THEY DID AN ILLEGAL INVASION, ALL CURRENT MILITARY MEMBERS AND LEADERS OF RUSSIA SHOULD BE KILLED.
Now that that’s established, deal with the current discussion, not your owner’s repeated propaganda tactics.
Things like “keep up” and " you fuckers can’t read" make you sound like a grade A collosal dickhead, by the way if that’s any concern to you.
I read just fine and see everything you said. Doesn’t change anything.
If you invade a country you fuck around and find out what that entails.
They are using them the same way shit is being used against them.
Russia hit the first civilian targets after invading them once that happens all bets are off if you come in to my country and ki my people I am going to murder yours too.
I believe that is the way it has worked for all of history.
And arguments like this present about bombs and shit too historically.
This is simply the way war evolves with the technology at hand. Keep up.
Also firefighter isn’t a black masked invader or military group lol your analogy is trash. The “booby trapping” happened after GETTING INVADED. Wasn’t there for no reason in the beginning was made as a response TO INVASION. Its simple to understand honestly.
Maybe they ought to just line up in steaight lines again like how they used to do.
And honestly what is it with these guns? You can kill someone a mile away with the right one, how inhumane! How horrible! You can’t even see the whites of their eyes this way!
I know man, maybe you can just get them to drop the weapons all together and have a dialogue instead that has always worked I can’t think of a single time in history talking it out and not responding to violence with more violence hasn’t worked out.
They are using them the same way shit is being used against them.
Incorrect, hence the smug title.
If you invade a country you fuck around and find out what that entails.
Cool so the next time France invades Libya, we should round up all of France’s citizens and send them all to death camps. Fuck around and find out right?
Never said they should round up the citizens and put in death camps or suggested it quit being so obtuse.
However, for the sake of understanding I am talking about any citizen from another country that is invading that country then yes they should die that’s what happens when you invade shit.
Also yes, I think the French soldiers that are in places like French Polynesia and shit should be expelled one way or another. Violence or voting because in that scenario they would leave if they voted for independence I think they’ve said this before.
And if France bombs Libya or whatever then abso-fucking-lutely that country should be able to bomb their ass back. Citizens do die during this and its incredible because the way to avoid it is by not bombing other countries
If you invade somewhere no one should have sympathy for you stay in your shit and there’s no problems. This goes for French, USAians, Russian, Germans, Chinese, humanity in general.
So civilians are legitimate military targets now, Herr DanceMomsSavedMe?
And we shouldn’t worry about war crimes ever I guess? As long as ‘oh there’s no other way to save our regime’ it’s completely fine to gas a civilian populace that might house invading military members?
I knew you guys didn’t die out in the 40s but christ you people have gotten so incredibly bold lately.
6 years ago it would have been unthinkable to publicly state you want civilian deaths because the oppressive regime over them invaded somewhere.
Yeah, would be nice, but they are fighting for their survival and russia should have never put them in this position to require this. I can’t imagine a situation where Ukraine would have come up with these if not out of necessity.
Same reason I can’t fault iran for lashing out at non-military targets because the US is illegally attacking them.
Iran is targeting the exact same targets the US is. That’s the parity, that’s the expectation, that’s what every country has to follow if they want to not be seen as an evil regime and be invaded by more countries… except white ones. White ones get to introduce world-ending immoral technology that is only capable of committing war crimes.
I wouldn’t send nazis to extermination camps. I wouldn’t set nazis on fire. I wouldn’t use chemical warfare against nazis, because those things are infinitely worse than losing a war. Losing your humanity leaves you nothing left even if you win.
Regarding the edit, you don’t need to announce your political allegiance this explicitly, it was already obvious who you are from the original unedited comment
Yes, I’m anti-literal crimes against humanity. That’s my political allegiance. Feel free to kill all the Russians, I don’t give a shit you stupid campist, just don’t do fucking war crimes or crimes against humanity.
The article. In front of you. It’s called reading.
Ukraine is admitting they are sending underpowered AI autonomous drones into an active war zone. This means they are no longer targeting military assets. Because we know how shit AI image recognition is.
I’m surprised there aren’t more Ukraine defenders attempting to justify this unjustifiable war crime and step towards total extinction of humanity.
Edit: The nazis have arrived.
Russia needs to get the fuck out of Ukraine
No disagreement there, maybe Ukraine should fight their own battles though and not commit horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity to do so? Maybe Ukraine shouldn’t introduce autonomous murder drones that are objectively incapable of making the required determinations in the Geneva Convention regarding legitimate military targets? Maybe Ukraine shouldn’t give people a reason to hate it when they have such good PR from Russia’s illegal invasion?
Maybe Russia should get the fuck out of Ukraine.
Reread, try again.
No, I fully understood what you were trying to say. I am disagreeing and pointing out that everything you said remains irrelevant as it could literally all be stopped if Russia would get the fuck out of Ukraine.
So, in your opinion, war crimes are justifed, as long as the ones committing them didn’t start the conflict?
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Man, I’m on board with calling Ukraine out for their war crimes, as anyone should be called out, who does so.
But now you’re just making an ass of yourself.
That’s as false an equivalence as it gets. Russia is objectively the aggressor in this conflict, while a Jewish “invasion” into Gemany didn’t exist. Not even as an antisemitic fantasy.
I’m not even opposed to making Nazi comparisons, but they better be at least somewhat valid.
Oh you sweet innocent troll… Nice ragebait…
False equivalence. Jews belonged where they were, and were part of the german population. In addition, no civilians were injured or targeted. Thus there are no war crimes. I’m not saying I am a fan of even the idea of removing people from killing people, but as the laws are currently written, there is no war crime. War crime is a very specific serious, and well defined thing. Calling things we don’t like a war crime dilutes and weakens the very term.
We literally cannot know that by the way. These things do not have the processing power to tell the difference between a valid combatant, a surrendered combatant, an unarmed medic, or even someone that happens to be just wearing camo to, you know, not be shot during a war.
If someone comes into my house and tries to take all my stuff I’m going to kill them.
And I’m not going to consider whether of not I’m doing it in a nice or polite way.
If you invade someone’s shit and try to steal it, you will deal with the fallout of that action.
No. Bad drone. Keep up.
If a fire fighter breaks into your house to put out a fire and your autonomous ceiling turret shreds them who’s at fault?
Because autonomous drone systems don’t care about friend or foe, no AI model is close to good enough for that with all the processing power in the world, much less what can be shoved in any type of airborne drone.
So this is akin to booby trapping your house, leaving your house, and then assuming anyone killed by your trap was a bad guy.
Again, because you fucks don’t read RUSSIA IS THE BAD GUY, THEY DID AN ILLEGAL INVASION, ALL CURRENT MILITARY MEMBERS AND LEADERS OF RUSSIA SHOULD BE KILLED.
Now that that’s established, deal with the current discussion, not your owner’s repeated propaganda tactics.
Things like “keep up” and " you fuckers can’t read" make you sound like a grade A collosal dickhead, by the way if that’s any concern to you.
I read just fine and see everything you said. Doesn’t change anything.
If you invade a country you fuck around and find out what that entails.
They are using them the same way shit is being used against them.
Russia hit the first civilian targets after invading them once that happens all bets are off if you come in to my country and ki my people I am going to murder yours too.
I believe that is the way it has worked for all of history.
And arguments like this present about bombs and shit too historically.
This is simply the way war evolves with the technology at hand. Keep up.
Also firefighter isn’t a black masked invader or military group lol your analogy is trash. The “booby trapping” happened after GETTING INVADED. Wasn’t there for no reason in the beginning was made as a response TO INVASION. Its simple to understand honestly.
Maybe they ought to just line up in steaight lines again like how they used to do.
And honestly what is it with these guns? You can kill someone a mile away with the right one, how inhumane! How horrible! You can’t even see the whites of their eyes this way!
I know man, maybe you can just get them to drop the weapons all together and have a dialogue instead that has always worked I can’t think of a single time in history talking it out and not responding to violence with more violence hasn’t worked out.
Incorrect, hence the smug title.
Cool so the next time France invades Libya, we should round up all of France’s citizens and send them all to death camps. Fuck around and find out right?
Never said they should round up the citizens and put in death camps or suggested it quit being so obtuse.
However, for the sake of understanding I am talking about any citizen from another country that is invading that country then yes they should die that’s what happens when you invade shit.
Also yes, I think the French soldiers that are in places like French Polynesia and shit should be expelled one way or another. Violence or voting because in that scenario they would leave if they voted for independence I think they’ve said this before.
And if France bombs Libya or whatever then abso-fucking-lutely that country should be able to bomb their ass back. Citizens do die during this and its incredible because the way to avoid it is by not bombing other countries
If you invade somewhere no one should have sympathy for you stay in your shit and there’s no problems. This goes for French, USAians, Russian, Germans, Chinese, humanity in general.
So civilians are legitimate military targets now, Herr DanceMomsSavedMe?
And we shouldn’t worry about war crimes ever I guess? As long as ‘oh there’s no other way to save our regime’ it’s completely fine to gas a civilian populace that might house invading military members?
I knew you guys didn’t die out in the 40s but christ you people have gotten so incredibly bold lately.
6 years ago it would have been unthinkable to publicly state you want civilian deaths because the oppressive regime over them invaded somewhere.
Yeah, would be nice, but they are fighting for their survival and russia should have never put them in this position to require this. I can’t imagine a situation where Ukraine would have come up with these if not out of necessity.
Same reason I can’t fault iran for lashing out at non-military targets because the US is illegally attacking them.
Iran is targeting the exact same targets the US is. That’s the parity, that’s the expectation, that’s what every country has to follow if they want to not be seen as an evil regime and be invaded by more countries… except white ones. White ones get to introduce world-ending immoral technology that is only capable of committing war crimes.
I wouldn’t send nazis to extermination camps. I wouldn’t set nazis on fire. I wouldn’t use chemical warfare against nazis, because those things are infinitely worse than losing a war. Losing your humanity leaves you nothing left even if you win.
Regarding the edit, you don’t need to announce your political allegiance this explicitly, it was already obvious who you are from the original unedited comment
Yes, I’m anti-literal crimes against humanity. That’s my political allegiance. Feel free to kill all the Russians, I don’t give a shit you stupid campist, just don’t do fucking war crimes or crimes against humanity.
You know by defending Ukraine, you’re allying with literal nazis, right? Like goose stepping, swastika bearing Nazis?
this ones, right?
Oh, wait, no, those actually Russians that attacked Ukraine.
Oh, maybe this one?
Damn, no, it’s also Russian one.
lol
The world is a complex place and two things can be true at the same time.
See the other replies to this comment for why Ukraine defenders believe that is not the case.
Ooohh, look, the tankies have arrived!
So tell me, where do you get your nonsense information from, exactly?
Also, how do I train in the mental gymnastics to flatten my brain so that I can believe in obvious nonsense too?
The article. In front of you. It’s called reading.
Ukraine is admitting they are sending underpowered AI autonomous drones into an active war zone. This means they are no longer targeting military assets. Because we know how shit AI image recognition is.
America is the good guys! Trump is just an abberation and not a reflection of the bloodthirsty nation we are and always were!!!