Abid Malhi and Shafqat Ali were convicted of gang rape, kidnapping, robbery and terrorism offences back in March 2021 over the attack on the Sialkot-Lahore Motorway.
We have litteral tool that doesn’t let any doubt regarding that matter. It s such a terrible bad argument that it never applied in any other situation.
“”“A subsequent investigation revealed that Mr Scott had
become implicated as a result of accidental contamination
of samples within the lab. The day before processing samples
from the alleged rape victim, the lab had handled a DNA
sample from Mr Scott, following a ‘spitting incident’ in Exeter,
UK. Unfortunately the disposable plastic plate used to analyse
this sample had been inadvertently reused in the rape case,
resulting in the misidentification.”“”
Not to mention corrupt cops and prosecutors.
Why the need to kill people? Why not just isolate them? Do you think it’s actually more practical to kill them or it’s just so you can feel better knowing they are dead?
It’s actually good that you’re uninformed. You can educate yourself and this may help you evolve your opinions beyond primitive ideas of justice like “eye for an eye”.
(profiling is part of matching, you match DNA profiles, you don’t sequence the entire genome).
First one say judgment is longer yet doesn’t take into account the cos of prolonged incarceration anywhere. Just that the procedure is longer.
Second is a survey and a comparaison without any source regarding different place where a lot more factor are involved.
Thoses arent study but opinion pieces.
Try again.
Also I dont care about your view about eyes for eyes since death penalty can t never equal thoses. About Christchurch do u think his death will have as much value than every life he took ?
Could just have a death sentence be only passed when there’s beyond doubt of guilt
This is the reason civil societies have mostly done away with the death penalty, simply because we cannot ever be 100% we have the guilty people. We like to think the court systems are infallible, but they sure arent.
I’d say it’s probably the biggest argument against the death penalty tbh. But then, at the same time, innocent people have died serving life sentences also.
Aren’t all conviction in US beyond doubt like… by definition? And there are always reviews and appeals and request for clemency to heads of states. And innocent people were executed many many times.
At some point saying that we ard only sure at 99.99% and not 100% so we fan t do anything about it is utterly ridiculous. No system is perfect and yet u use that argument at the age of cctv dna test and so on
You can do plenty of things but in a civilized country we tend not to punish people in brutal ways just to get some satisfaction. We isolate them, make sure they can’t hurt anyone and try to rehabilitate them.
And we do this, among other things, because systems are not perfect and doing irreversible harm to people is problematic. Even with CCTV and DNA tests.
For context, I’m thinking more of a recent murder case that happened in the UK. Basically a sikh guy stabbed a British student, then called the police on him accusing him of racism. Police arrived and handcuffed the dying student as he bled out, dying on the ground in handcuffs. The Sikh’s family were complicit
Obviously, a whole myriad of immigration tension has arisen again (happened with the southport stabbings also) and people are rioting.
I think if we publicly executed people who carried out these atrocities, it would quench the general public’s bloodthirst and restore order, hopefully reducing hate crimes on the innocent immigrants.
Public execution. They hanged a guy from a tree and took a nice group photo. They would then make nice postcards out of them and sent out to family. Really brings back the community together. Especially if the criminal is of a different race. The history showed us that there are no risk of discrimination or abuse here. Justice system should do what the mod desires. We could call it… mob justice.
Pls, no country on earth has the ressource to rehabilitate every criminal nor they should try.
U cant just look me in the eyes and say to me yeah he was a neo nazi that killed 20 ppl in a place of cult but have you thinking about his rehabilitation and how horrible you will be if you think it will be a net positive for society if we kill him ?
Ever heard about wrongful convictions?
We have litteral tool that doesn’t let any doubt regarding that matter. It s such a terrible bad argument that it never applied in any other situation.
What “literal tool” is that?
Dna CCTV localisation any numeric trace
https://senseaboutscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/making-sense-of-forensic-genetics.pdf
“”“A subsequent investigation revealed that Mr Scott had become implicated as a result of accidental contamination of samples within the lab. The day before processing samples from the alleged rape victim, the lab had handled a DNA sample from Mr Scott, following a ‘spitting incident’ in Exeter, UK. Unfortunately the disposable plastic plate used to analyse this sample had been inadvertently reused in the rape case, resulting in the misidentification.”“”
Not to mention corrupt cops and prosecutors.
Why the need to kill people? Why not just isolate them? Do you think it’s actually more practical to kill them or it’s just so you can feel better knowing they are dead?
Practical, economical, dissuasive and also justified.
Your paper is about dna profiling and not matching.
It’s not economical, it’s common knowledge that the whole appeal process is more expensive then housing someone for life:
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/dpi-series-facts-about-the-death-penalty-does-the-death-penalty-cost-less-than-life-without-parole
It’s also not dissuasive:
https://www.amnestyusa.org/issues/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and-deterrence/
https://deathpenaltyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/The-Death-Penalty-Project_Policy-Deterrence.pdf
It’s actually good that you’re uninformed. You can educate yourself and this may help you evolve your opinions beyond primitive ideas of justice like “eye for an eye”.
(profiling is part of matching, you match DNA profiles, you don’t sequence the entire genome).
Your link lmao.
First one say judgment is longer yet doesn’t take into account the cos of prolonged incarceration anywhere. Just that the procedure is longer.
Second is a survey and a comparaison without any source regarding different place where a lot more factor are involved.
Thoses arent study but opinion pieces.
Try again.
Also I dont care about your view about eyes for eyes since death penalty can t never equal thoses. About Christchurch do u think his death will have as much value than every life he took ?
So you choose not to educate yourself. Sad but understandable.
Could just have a death sentence be only passed when there’s beyond doubt of guilt and have it approved by the head of state
This is the reason civil societies have mostly done away with the death penalty, simply because we cannot ever be 100% we have the guilty people. We like to think the court systems are infallible, but they sure arent.
I’d say it’s probably the biggest argument against the death penalty tbh. But then, at the same time, innocent people have died serving life sentences also.
Aren’t all conviction in US beyond doubt like… by definition? And there are always reviews and appeals and request for clemency to heads of states. And innocent people were executed many many times.
Isn’t all this common knowledge by now?
I basically mean cctv footage where it’s clearly them, or a guilty plea
https://innocenceproject.org/coerced-pleas/
Do you people not read at all?
I wasn’t referring to underdeveloped disorderly countries.
Like US?
Yes
At some point saying that we ard only sure at 99.99% and not 100% so we fan t do anything about it is utterly ridiculous. No system is perfect and yet u use that argument at the age of cctv dna test and so on
You can do plenty of things but in a civilized country we tend not to punish people in brutal ways just to get some satisfaction. We isolate them, make sure they can’t hurt anyone and try to rehabilitate them.
And we do this, among other things, because systems are not perfect and doing irreversible harm to people is problematic. Even with CCTV and DNA tests.
For context, I’m thinking more of a recent murder case that happened in the UK. Basically a sikh guy stabbed a British student, then called the police on him accusing him of racism. Police arrived and handcuffed the dying student as he bled out, dying on the ground in handcuffs. The Sikh’s family were complicit
Obviously, a whole myriad of immigration tension has arisen again (happened with the southport stabbings also) and people are rioting.
I think if we publicly executed people who carried out these atrocities, it would quench the general public’s bloodthirst and restore order, hopefully reducing hate crimes on the innocent immigrants.
Public executions… yeah, that would bring back the good times for sure.
What am I looking at exactly
Public execution. They hanged a guy from a tree and took a nice group photo. They would then make nice postcards out of them and sent out to family. Really brings back the community together. Especially if the criminal is of a different race. The history showed us that there are no risk of discrimination or abuse here. Justice system should do what the mod desires. We could call it… mob justice.
Doing irrevserible harm to ppl is problematic ☝️🤓
Pls, no country on earth has the ressource to rehabilitate every criminal nor they should try. U cant just look me in the eyes and say to me yeah he was a neo nazi that killed 20 ppl in a place of cult but have you thinking about his rehabilitation and how horrible you will be if you think it will be a net positive for society if we kill him ?
Mother of god you really are a fucking moron… Every day I grow more ABs more weary existing here.
They may type like a moron, but they have a point. It’s easy for someone to sit behind a screen and type “just rehabilitate them” online.
And me thinking nobody will ever defend nazi here, here u are doing it with litteral nazi terrorist.
Implying people get locked up when there is still reasonable doubt? That sounds like a massive problem.
It does happen, such as Lucy Letby. I don’t think she should be executed.