• freagle@lemmy.ml
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    15 hours ago

    It’s not about being misled. The guy has very clearly not done the work. Sure. He looks like he’s starting to do the work, but he’s a massive fucking liability with the half apologies and the backtracking. He’s not woke yet. Yes, everyone has a right to start where there are. No, we don’t have to fucking vote them into positions of power over us.

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      5 hours ago

      What’s the alternative? There is only one alternative: Susan Collins. That’s the forced choice. Platner or Collins.

      It will be one or the other.

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        5 hours ago

        Correct! It’s almost like electoralism isn’t solving any fucking problems and we should stop wasting time on this race - because every single choice is a losing choice - and instead focus our efforts on literally anything else that makes life better because giving Democrats our energy is just frog marching us towards more and more death, destruction, and devastation.

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            4 hours ago

            The Trump state that the Democrats paved the way for and did not lift a finger to stop. Stop acting like administrations are discontinuous. Most of the tools Trump is using were put in place or enhanced by former Democrat administrations. Tom Homan was an Obama appointee. The Obama/Clinton war crime campaign in Libya was initiated by Bush 2. All of the prior administrations expanded the military, expanded militarization of the police, etc. Bill and Hillary lived in the Governor’s Mansion in AK, saw the black house slaves from the prison who worked there and just went on being served by black house slaves for the entire term. Every administration and every swing of power in Congress has maintained and expanded the sanctions regime that kills 800k people every year.

            The Democrats are not a solution. They have never been a solution. They have always been a part of the problem. The problem is not limited to a single party, it’s the entire political system. It was founded this way, it was designed this way, it was cultivated this way, it was protected this way, it was maintained this way. And Platner shows us exactly how it works. Bring in a white supremacist murderer with a tottenkopf tattoo who, after seeing the atrocities of the US war machine first hand decided to go work for Blackwater mercenaries who are known to be even worse in the field and then all he has to do is remove the tattoo, apologize, and then get frustrated when people keep bringing it up. Blame the voters for not voting the right way. It’s never the party’s fault. They literally couldn’t find someone who wasn’t a murderer who volunteered to keep the murder going multiple times and doesn’t really want to talk much about it except that everyone should respect him now for deciding to go into politics with empty promises that he has no power to keep.

            What’s the alternative? When you see a Sophie’s Choice, just don’t play that game and go do something like organize locally with the homeless, with the racialized, and build a movement that will topple this tower of bullshit. Work with your racial and gender category in breaking down their internalization of oppressive systems. Actually engage in liberatory politics instead of literally fighting for a murdering mercenary and blaming voters for not choosing to pick a leader from among a bunch of people who literally do not deserve their respect and do not deserve the power they are asking for.

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        6 hours ago

        LOL, telling on yourself on this one. The fact that he has not responded well to situation around his tattoo means he hasn’t done the work.

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          Not responded well? As far as I’m aware, he explained that he didn’t know what it was when he got it (which is very believable, as I didn’t know what it was until I read about him), and he had it removed. What else do you expect?

          “Haven’t done the work” is such a vague term that gets overapplied to anyone you want to dismiss as backwards and ignorant, completely ignoring the work that they have done. If you can point to something ignorant someone said or did twelve years ago, then you’ll say they “haven’t done the work,” for the rest of their lives. You apparently don’t believe people can learn and grow, which is basically essentialism.

          Obviously, if someone points out the work that they’ve done, you’ll just dismiss it as performative and virtue signalling and say they don’t get points just for meeting the bare minimum. So there’s no way to actually “do the work” such that you would even acknowledge it.

          That’s pretty short-sighted, because if you give people no way forward then they’re going to stop trying to please you, and they may even move backwards. Which makes it all the more impressive that he is moving forward, to be honest.

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            This is mostly just cope. Platner needs to actually talk about the tattoo, what he learned, how he learned it, how it applies to the context of US politics and the military, why people might be upset about it, what he’s doing over and above what a normal person needs to do because the fact that he had a fucking tottenkopf permanently drawn on his body requires some more soul searching and actual consciousness than the kid who thought rap music was garbage when they were 15.

            What’s NOT doing the work is retreating to innocence. “I didn’t know. How could I know? I removed it, what more could I possibly do? Actually people who are upset just don’t understand.”

            That’s not the work. That’s literally text book crypto white supremacist defense mechanisms. It’s the same playbook that allows Bostonians to believe they aren’t racist when pretty much any POC who interacts with the city will tell you it’s one of the top racist places in the country.

            Everything is meaningless if your entire theory of action is vote blue no matter, so it’s not surprising you think that saying Platner hasn’t done the work is meaningless.

            But don’t worry. In a few more days you’ll need to explain why he was sexting with women on TikTok and his wife found out and she chose to share it with the campaign. And of course, he didn’t know it was wrong at the time. He was just caught up in the moment. He deleted the messages now so everything is fine. What more could I ask from him?

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              It really just seems like you are grasping at straws when it comes to Platner. He has explained at great length to anyone that asks him about that tattoo or his past comments. I’ve not once seen him shy away from the question or give some non answer like any other politician.

              Plus, this issue is waaaaaay past its expiry date, Mills already tried this avenue and she got obliterated in the primary.

              Continuing to push this really just makes you look like an establishment planted concern troll.

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              Not sure what you think I’m trying to cope with. “Just cope” is another meaningless thought-stopper that people like you employ whenever they’re faced with disagreement.

              He’s already addressed it. You expect him to keep beating a dead horse, just because you’ll never let it die? And dwell on the thing with really bad optics during an election cycle? Instead of, you know, talking about the economic turmoil and the fascists in power and calling out those things and presenting people with his ideas for what to do about it?

              But no, you just want to lock him into a cycle of performative virtue signaling because he’ll never be redeemed in your eyes. Only idiots bend themselves into knots to please the people that will never forgive them or accept them.

              You don’t know how much soul-searching he’s done or “actual consciousness” he has. You’re just assuming that he hasn’t, and no matter what he does you’ll always insist on that.

              And your insinuation that people not liking rap music is racist is kinda laughable. Nobody is morally obligated to listen to music that doesn’t suit their tastes. Cope harder.

              Everything is meaningless if your entire theory of action is vote blue no matter, so it’s not surprising you think that saying Platner hasn’t done the work is meaningless.

              “Vote blue no matter who” is usually used as an argument to justify voting for establishment/corporatist/centrist/milquetoast Dems. Platner isn’t any of those things, he’s literally a progressive. And if you want to focus on this overblown issue to sabotage his campaign because you can’t accept the fact that people make mistakes out of ignorance but are capable of learning and growing, then all you’re left with is Susan Collins so you’re pulling a lot of weight for the actual fascists.

              And I say saying he hasn’t done the work is meaningless because he clearly has, and I’ve seen that phrase weaponized against people who have done the work so many times that I’m just desensitized to it now.

              Are you just jealous that a white guy is in the spotlight? Nothing’s stopping more POCs from running for office, so why aren’t they? Stop trying to trip up the few progressive candidates we have over some manufactured race war that the oligarchs created in order to divide the working class in the first place.

              And unless you have a source for your last paragraph, I’m just going to assume that’s blatant disinformation. Shame on you.

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                4 hours ago

                LOL. Someone’s not paying attention

                https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/30/us/politics/graham-platner-maine-senate-texts.html

                Nothing’s stopping more POCs from running for office, so why aren’t they?

                Tell me you haven’t done the work without telling me you haven’t done the work.

                I’ve seen that phrase weaponized against people who have done the work so many times that I’m just desensitized to it now.

                Tell me more about how hard it is to be white when people are constantly telling you that white people you support (or maybe even you yourself) aren’t doing enough.

                You don’t know how much soul-searching he’s done or “actual consciousness” he has. You’re just assuming that he hasn’t

                I’m going based on his communications. I know people who are on the journey of recovering from white supremacist patriarchy and not only is Platner not showing evidence of having done the work, he’s executing the classic “retreat to innocence” without a hint of self-awareness. I know former military who have done the work and I would vote for them. I know former neo-nazis who have done the work, but I wouldn’t put them up for election because collective enforcement of norms and consequences for past behavior are critical social technologies.

                He’s already addressed it. You expect him to keep beating a dead horse, just because you’ll never let it die? And dwell on the thing with really bad optics during an election cycle?

                No. I expect him to actually do something with his journey that isn’t immediately attempting to put himself into a position of power. I expect him to go work with troubled teen boys, work with skin heads in prison, work with veterans recovering from toxic masculinity, work with violent men to show them a path towards healing. It’s part of doing the work. You don’t just go to therapy, read some books, do some journaling, remove a tattoo, and then run for senate without doing ANY of the reparative work. That’s not how any of this works.

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                  The article you linked says the conduct stopped and they worked through it in counseling before the campaign ever started. If his wife has already forgiven him and still supports him, then that’s a strong indication that he has in fact worked through it.

                  The rest of your comment just sounds worn-out and petulant, so I’m not even going to bother anymore. Honestly all you’re doing is desensitizing me further. I don’t care if you call me a white supremacist or any of that shit because you’ve shown that phrases like that are meaningless coming from you.

                  For the record, I’m not a white supremacist. I just don’t care if you label me as one, because you’re probably going to anyway.

                  Hopefully you’ll see how self-destructive it is to cry wolf just to get your way, but I doubt it.

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                    3 hours ago

                    For the record, I’m not a white supremacist.

                    Highly recommend you actually engage in some deeper anti-racism work in community with other white folk and accountability with some black folk.