A recent study shows that e-cigarettes are becoming increasingly popular among young people in Germany, with even elementary school kids picking up vapes. Health experts are alarmed.
Yh but different companies put different things in their vape liquid (so I heard) so it’s painful to even compare the long term effects of all these diff combinations :)
The ‘different things’ is just the flavoring. You just need to A) Study how much, if any, of the flavoring survives atomization B) Study any resulting products from vaporizing the flavoring, and C) Compare that to the already available data on said flavoring via other intake methods. Nearly all the flavoring used is also used in the food industry and has anywhere from 150 years to 20 years of data on potential harm.
The only two we know cannot be used in vaping that is comically harmless via all practically other delivery methods is Vitamin E acetate and Vitamin C. Pretty much everything else tried appears to metabolize in similar ways.
No nicotine is still a potential carcinogen and has high toxicity in general; and people with hyperactive immune systems that also have any preexisting breathing problems should avoid vaping as, just with high relative humidity caused by weather, your immune system can over produce mucus causing difficulty breathing.
Everything in your comment is incorrect. Flavorings are coming out of Chinese factories and no one knows, or checks, what they are or if they are safe. No one regulates anything in vapes. You think a factory in China cares what you suck on all day?
The heated product of vape propylene glycol and vegetable glycerol is dihydroacetone, a known carcinogen of significant concern in sunblock formulas, but that’s topically applied. You want to inhale that in huge volumes deep into your lungs? Good luck!
References with big words: the levels and carcinogenic effects of vapes is the largest growing research area in oncology and lung fibrosis.
Everything in your comment is incorrect. Flavorings are coming out of Chinese factories and no one knows, or checks, what they are or if they are safe. No one regulates anything in vapes. You think a factory in China cares what you suck on all day?
This is just racism. Legitimately. Get help. That aside;
While prepackaged vapes are popular, they are far from the only type sold or used, especially by chronic users. Most people that vape long term do not buy disposable; and the juice they use is almost always produced in country, regardless of country, since its far cheaper that way (avoids tariffs).
For the slightly more casual user they use disposable cartridges inside of a vape pen, the cartridges are almost always filled in-country, as it’s the cheapest method. So again, not the scary chinese men doing unethical things to your children’s lungs. Seriously. Get some help for your racism. Jesus fucking christ.
The final category is what you are thinking of when you saw the scary propaganda videos of those evil chinese factories making all-in-one disposable vapes… which are still tested by multiple regulatory agencies before they hit shelves, in all countries in which they are sold, because nicotine products are amongst the most regulated products in the developed world. Yes, China has health agencies, yes they cover nicotine products, yes it’s tested even for the foreign market, if you think otherwise yes you are actually racist. The Chinese government is on some grand conspiracy to kill the white man, and you should feel bad for believing that.
The heated product of vape propylene glycol and vegetable glycerol is dihydroacetone, a known carcinogen of significant concern in sunblock formulas, but that’s topically applied. You want to inhale that in huge volumes deep into your lungs? Good luck!
…And yet it’s safe enough to be in every single vaporized medicine! Across the world! Imagine that, it’s almost as if the fear mongering on this point is from people who have never touched a medical textbook. Just google either of those compounds + steroids. Congrats, even the AI will tell you its a normal thing.
References with big words: the levels and carcinogenic effects of vapes is the largest growing research area in oncology and lung fibrosis.
It sure is. From your links, vapes without Vitamin E acetate do not yet have any correlation with chronic lung conditions. Guess which vapes did have Vitamin E Acetate? The off-market THC vapes sold in Europe for like a year a full decade ago.
Guess what will happen when all regulation stops because vapes are banned? People will cut THC vapes with Vitamin E Acetate in Europe again, and more people will get lung fibrosis than are getting it now.
Imagine that, outright banning a good makes it more dangerous.
Yh but different companies put different things in their vape liquid (so I heard) so it’s painful to even compare the long term effects of all these diff combinations :)
The ‘different things’ is just the flavoring. You just need to A) Study how much, if any, of the flavoring survives atomization B) Study any resulting products from vaporizing the flavoring, and C) Compare that to the already available data on said flavoring via other intake methods. Nearly all the flavoring used is also used in the food industry and has anywhere from 150 years to 20 years of data on potential harm.
The only two we know cannot be used in vaping that is comically harmless via all practically other delivery methods is Vitamin E acetate and Vitamin C. Pretty much everything else tried appears to metabolize in similar ways.
So vaping is basically harmless! :D
No nicotine is still a potential carcinogen and has high toxicity in general; and people with hyperactive immune systems that also have any preexisting breathing problems should avoid vaping as, just with high relative humidity caused by weather, your immune system can over produce mucus causing difficulty breathing.
Ohh ok thanks!!
Everything in your comment is incorrect. Flavorings are coming out of Chinese factories and no one knows, or checks, what they are or if they are safe. No one regulates anything in vapes. You think a factory in China cares what you suck on all day?
The heated product of vape propylene glycol and vegetable glycerol is dihydroacetone, a known carcinogen of significant concern in sunblock formulas, but that’s topically applied. You want to inhale that in huge volumes deep into your lungs? Good luck!
References with big words: the levels and carcinogenic effects of vapes is the largest growing research area in oncology and lung fibrosis.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214750024002610
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0278516
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.08.29.673133v1
This is just racism. Legitimately. Get help. That aside;
While prepackaged vapes are popular, they are far from the only type sold or used, especially by chronic users. Most people that vape long term do not buy disposable; and the juice they use is almost always produced in country, regardless of country, since its far cheaper that way (avoids tariffs).
For the slightly more casual user they use disposable cartridges inside of a vape pen, the cartridges are almost always filled in-country, as it’s the cheapest method. So again, not the scary chinese men doing unethical things to your children’s lungs. Seriously. Get some help for your racism. Jesus fucking christ.
The final category is what you are thinking of when you saw the scary propaganda videos of those evil chinese factories making all-in-one disposable vapes… which are still tested by multiple regulatory agencies before they hit shelves, in all countries in which they are sold, because nicotine products are amongst the most regulated products in the developed world. Yes, China has health agencies, yes they cover nicotine products, yes it’s tested even for the foreign market, if you think otherwise yes you are actually racist. The Chinese government is on some grand conspiracy to kill the white man, and you should feel bad for believing that.
…And yet it’s safe enough to be in every single vaporized medicine! Across the world! Imagine that, it’s almost as if the fear mongering on this point is from people who have never touched a medical textbook. Just google either of those compounds + steroids. Congrats, even the AI will tell you its a normal thing.
It sure is. From your links, vapes without Vitamin E acetate do not yet have any correlation with chronic lung conditions. Guess which vapes did have Vitamin E Acetate? The off-market THC vapes sold in Europe for like a year a full decade ago.
Guess what will happen when all regulation stops because vapes are banned? People will cut THC vapes with Vitamin E Acetate in Europe again, and more people will get lung fibrosis than are getting it now.
Imagine that, outright banning a good makes it more dangerous.